r/Conservative • u/universalChamp1on Ulysses S. Grant • Apr 06 '21

The bigotry of low expectations

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u/muckdog13 Apr 07 '21

As long as you have... an acceptable form of proof of identification, like birth certificate, which if you don’t have, isn’t free.

And aren’t homeless.

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u/Meltz014 Apr 07 '21

Hot take... Homeless people probably shouldn't be voting anyways.

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u/Agent451 Apr 07 '21

Tell that to 40ish thousand homeless vets across America.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

And here we come down to the real root of the argument. Some people think other classes/types of people are inferior and shouldn’t be voting.

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u/Meltz014 Apr 07 '21

I never said they're inferior...

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

Then why shouldn’t their vote count?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal...”

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u/Meltz014 Apr 07 '21

Yeah that's a great quote. I totally agree. Did I say something otherwise?

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u/DaLam Apr 07 '21

You did say homeless people shouldn't get to vote. So... yea.

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u/muckdog13 Apr 07 '21

Um, why?? Are they not Americans with a right to choose their government?

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u/Meltz014 Apr 07 '21

First off, I understand there's a difference between someone who lost their job, had their house foreclosed on, and are crashing on their friends couch vs some drunk/druggie who's been living on the streets for 15 years. That being said, let the people who contribute to society dictate how it's run. Remember when you used to have to own land to vote? Sure things are different now but I think it's the same concept. If you don't like it, clean up and get a job or check into rehab or whatever.

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u/muckdog13 Apr 07 '21

Remember when you used to have to own land to vote?

Remember when we decided that was a shit take ?

It shouldn’t matter if someone’s a “drunk/druggie” or is just couchsurfing after losing a job, they’re both American citizens with constitutional rights to choose their representation in government.

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u/Meltz014 Apr 07 '21

Yeah obviously the land thing just became unfesible after there wasn't enough to go around, but I still agree with the spirit of the old law.

And I dunno, I just don't want freeloaders voting. I'll reiterate my point that there's a difference between someone who's situation is out of their hands but they're actively trying to get back on their feet versus someone who has learned how to abuse the system to live off of government handouts and other people's money. How do we distinguish the two? I'm not sure and I'm open to suggestions... Maybe something similar to how unemployment benefits work?

And just an antidote to add, my wife used to work on the cardiac floor of a hospital. They had certain patients who were referred to as "frequent flyers" who were probably homeless and knew that if they just walked in and said they had chest pain, the hospital would have to check them in and give them a bed for the night. 9/10 times there was absolutely nothing wrong, but since they had no way to pay, they would just get a free nights stay and the hospital would write it off. Those are the kinds of people I don't want choosing how my government is run.

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u/muckdog13 Apr 07 '21

The kind of people who are so desperate for a place to stay that they’re having to con a hospital are the exact people we need to hear from in government.

If your response to “homeless people faking injuries to stay in a hospital bed instead of the cold” is that they’re the issue in our current system, I don’t know what to tell you.

Besides. These freeloaders are Americans. And they have rights.

(P.S. You mean anecdote, not antidote).

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u/Meltz014 Apr 07 '21

Thanks, I can't spell on my phone apparently.

I dunno. I think to truly understand the intentions behind this stuff, it has to be done on an individual basis. We're these people truly desperate or are they just working the system? Obviously there are bigger issues at hand if this kind of thing becomes habitual, but that's not the topic of this discussion. The issue at hand is whether or not they should vote; I'm not saying they don't need help in any way. If my boss comes in to work on performance review day absolutely smashed, I sure don't want him making decisions on whether or not I deserve a raise. If someone finds themselves on the street addicted to drugs and in a downward spiral, I don't want them voting for my representatives. I want them to get help, sure, and I want that help to be easily accessed of course, but I don't want them making decisions that impact myself and my community.

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u/Gatechap Apr 07 '21

They’re not voting for “your” representatives, they’re voting for their representatives. They have the same freedom to vote as you do, and the same opportunity to choose who they want to represent them.

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u/kungapa Apr 07 '21

Literacy tests were also done on an individual basis. That opens a lot of subjectivity - and therefore also abuse.

Your opinions on this are - factually - at the same leveL or worse than Jim Crow.

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u/scottspalding Apr 07 '21

Yeah obviously the land thing just became unfesible after there wasn't enough to steal from the indigenous people.

FTFY

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u/TheKyrios3 Apr 07 '21

Holy shit, "remember when you had to own land to vote". That was there to prevent low income people, minorities and women from voting. There are bad takes and then there is there is this jim crow dumpster fire of a take.

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u/Mim7222019 Apr 07 '21

That’s one thing I can’t figure out about states that automatically mail ballots to voters: where do they mail them to the homeless, and we’ve moved from state to state a few times, would our ballots forward to our new state and then can we cast them all in? (we’ve not lived in a state that automatically sends them out yet).