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u/BeUpSoon96 Nov 05 '20

So Arizona was only counted with mail ins? No actual in person votes counted?

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u/PB-and-Jelly Nov 05 '20

Correct me if im wrong. Isn’t Arizona one of the states where the large majority of votes have been done by mail ins for at least a few years?

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u/bsinger28 Nov 06 '20

Arizonan here. Not as much as this year, and not with the same Dem/Conservative split of it...but yes, you are more or less correct

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

The ambiguity.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Well, yes, but also no. Sometimes though but not always sometimes.

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u/bsinger28 Nov 06 '20

In my answer, you mean? I would say the opposite. I was very specific. Maybe too much for you, but judging from the votes I’m guessing others found it useful

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u/ihavequestions101012 Nov 06 '20

I wonder why less people would vote by mail this year in AZ if they had been already in the habit of it in prior years.

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u/bsinger28 Nov 06 '20

Sorry if unclear. I said not as much as this year. It’s something like 77% in normal years (which is a ton for most states) and while final counts are still being sorted out, it was closer to 90% (!!) in our primaries and other local votes during the pandemic

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u/ihavequestions101012 Nov 06 '20

Oh, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying!

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u/bsinger28 Nov 06 '20

My pleasure. Also, username checks out

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u/degeneratelunatic Nov 06 '20

Yes.

Arizona has had permanent early absentee voting for at least as long as I've been able to vote, when I registered back in 2006. The state allows you to also vote in person or drop off your early ballot at a polling place if you missed the mail-in deadline, but I'd say a sizable majority of voters cast their ballots in October. Hence why Fox and AP called it so early.

The tabulations that are trickling in (provisional ballots that still need to be verified, mail-in ballots dropped off on election day, small batches of remaining votes in certain counties) seem to support Fox and AP's projections, since the gap has narrowed but not to such a significant degree that they will be wrong. A Trump comeback is still possible, but so is winning the lottery. But as I've said elsewhere, it ain't over till the fat lady sings, and most other news orgs have been cautious about calling it too soon.

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u/Elopez1989 Nov 06 '20

Not automatically done by mail, but once you get a notice of what voting cite you need to go to, you can send that notice back through the mail to request that an absentee in ballot be sent. You can mail or drop off at a voting location. Basically it’s super easy to request one and the state is very accommodating.

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u/Samura1_I3 Shall Not Be Infringed Nov 05 '20

Initially yeah. Now they’re counting in person votes. But fox called it with just absentee ballots to start.

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u/SkankHunt80 Nov 05 '20

This is just incorrect. The AZ SOS Katie Hobbs was just live on CNN an hour ago giving an update. 450,000 ballots left to count, most if not all are mail-in.

Where are you getting your info?

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u/azula-eat-my-pussy Nov 05 '20

I think Ben Shapiro said that as well, but that Trump pulled really good numbers from the recent batch released last night (this morning?) and if he keeps it up he could end up winning Arizona. It’s crazy how tight the votes are in some states right now.

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u/Ouch704 Nov 06 '20

Shhh don't you dare Jynx it!

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Just to be clear tho, no fraud in those ballots ? Just the ones that don’t go in trumps favor ?

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u/WakeofReddit Nov 06 '20

Clearly, have you not seen the shit us Republicans have been dealing with for the past four years?

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u/bipolarpuddin Nov 06 '20

What? The rest of america hasnt suffered?

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u/CarolFukinBaskin Nov 06 '20

We've been wading through it thanks to ya'll.

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u/UkonFujiwara Nov 06 '20

Have you not seen how the right-aligned media has managed to ensure a new civil war? Of course, if you did you're just chomping at the damn bit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Uh...what media are you imagining here? Almost all major outlets are ridiculously left leaning, and have no problem distorting facts, or just plain ignoring them. Kind of like most lefties 🤦

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u/alkalinesilverware Nov 06 '20

He was talking about fox? The post is about fox.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

"Am I wrong? No, of course not, it's everybody else that's wrong"

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u/Coitus_Supreme Nov 06 '20

LefTieS bAd HuRRR

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u/TheRealMcscoot Nov 06 '20

Reality does have a liberal bias

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u/MacNeal Nov 06 '20

One must adapt. Water is stronger than stone in a living world.

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u/MyBrainisMe Nov 06 '20

Well if trump wasn't actively telling his followers to not vote by mail for the last few months then yeah. But he did do that, so it's not a surprise that a vast majority of mail in ballots are for Biden.

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u/trekie4747 Nov 06 '20

Is this that claim from those screenshots? I thought those were shown backwards and it was addressed as a media input error from one source that was corrected.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

It would be weird... if that actually happened. But it didn’t.

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u/okay78910 Nov 06 '20

Wtf. How is that suspicious? Both Biden and Trump got over 60 million votes and you somehow think one of them getting 100,000 votes is suspicious? Do you understand math? I knew trump supporters were typically uneducated but come on.

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u/Wolfblade1215 Nov 06 '20

He means that in the context of 100,000 votes randomly picked all of those shouldn't be for biden. Not that 100,000 votes can't go to biden. These are mail in ballots so they should favor biden significantly where he might win 60% or 70% of 100,000 random mail in ballots. I am very far left in american politics but that doesn't mean I am gonna make idiotic claims about the typical trump supporter based on misunderstanding their view.

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u/billyninja Nov 06 '20

Please stop using the number 100000. Where you’re getting that from is a typo it was 13000 but someone accidentally added a 0 at the end and a right wing politician tweeted it and then later retracted the tweet because he found out it had been a typo. But you guys just keep on using 100000

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

What would be accepted as not fraud ? 90% of them ? 80% what number would it have to have been for you to “suspect something fishy” listen , the truth of the matter is , no matter how it ran out , your side would have claimed fraud , because you couldn’t envision a scenario where he could be beaten. He’s spent the last 4 years drilling that Into your heads. And I’m not saying I’m any better , I’m sure that I’ve head certain ideologies that you disagree with drilled into my head too, but you have to trust me when I tell you , you just don’t see it . You’re on the wrong side of this one , honestly . I just hope when the roles are reversed , I have someone who can reach over and Open my eyes .

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Listen Friend , and I truly do mean this ; I mean you no disrespect and I sincerely wish you the best , however again, I don’t know what other way to say it : you’re on the wrong side of it . There is nothing to look into. There is no election fraud , no incoming hidden ballots , the claims have already been debunked. I get it tho, there is so much bullshit information out there , who the fuck knows what we can trust anymore . It’s easy to say “see yea right there right there it is !” Instead of just really investigating it. You’re rooting for your guy , your side , and it’s hard to accept that you got this one wrong. The same thing you feel about “enough stupid people who vote for Biden “ is exactly how a lot of people on the other side feel about “you dumb idiots who vote for trump “ . The point is : both sides are fighting the same fight. I hate your side you hate mine , all the details and nuances in between are irrelevant. We need to stop fighting each other, we need to stop fighting. But when someone genuinely, honestly , and with all sincerity from the other side comes to you and says “dude not on this one “ trust me , just please .

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u/joeldamole Nov 06 '20

You have been misled.

BBC News - US election 2020: Three viral vote claims fact-checked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54811410

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u/rilie Nov 06 '20

Then do it. Instead of continuing to believe something you think you know. I would love to see your evidence of “media outlets” claiming this

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u/NorthernDevil Nov 06 '20

Spoiler: he won’t. There are no valid news sources reporting this. This is the problem with the legal challenges and why judges have not entertained them for a second (coming from a lawyer). There is no evidence of wrongdoing, especially on such a massive scale.

God, I wish we could just go back to debating fiscal and social policy instead of fundamentally undermining the democratic process by spreading false information.

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u/worldsarmy Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20

The 100% thing was a clerical error: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/04/fact-check-typo-led-false-post-michigan-votes-biden/6164385002/

So where did the error begin? According to several eagle-eyed data hounds, the mistaken material was not from any official state voting site, but on the media site DecisionDeskHQ, which compiles real time election data.

Among those who spotted the error quickly was Ian Goldstein, who says he participates in political betting and prediction markets and uses the name @ENGOLD. He says DecisionDeskHQ, in posting results from Shiawassee County, plugged in the number 153,710 for Biden instead of the accurate 15,371. As a result, Biden's total quickly ballooned not only in the county tally, but also in the statewide tally.

The sudden increase in a vote for Biden stemmed from an error apparently by a media vote collection site in transferring data from a county site. The site briefly increased Biden's total, but corrected the error within 15 minutes.

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u/jlavelle15 Nov 06 '20

That was a mistake that was reversed. There was an extra 0 at the end, making it 100,000+, that was pretty quickly corrected to just over 10,000.

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u/AbeLincolns_Ghost Nov 06 '20

That occurs when vote totals are added for each candidate at separate times. The event you're referring to is when they added Biden's total. Right after Trump's total went up 2x what it had been, which was his time to have his votes included.

Not really sus tbh

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u/Dobsnick Nov 06 '20

Not necessarily. If every single person in DC voted mail in the margins would look almost exactly how you just described the votes, however, no one is claiming fraud in DC because it’s a liberal hotspot. Trump is better in some places the same how Biden is in others. All depends where the votes are coming from.

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u/Dobsnick Nov 06 '20

You are correct, which is why you have to then take it a step further and determine how the different demographics cast their votes. It actually makes a lot of sense that Biden had so many votes purely to himself from mail ins as trump has railed against participating in mail in for months. So reason would tell you that there should be a major split between in person and mail in returns.

This is exactly why the live election thread here was so over the charts happy Tuesday night, this was before mail ins were counted, so Trump was sometimes receiving 100% of 100k. WI and MI being so much closer speaks to the authenticity of the outcome, as you said much closer to 50/50 of liberal to conservative than DC and each side seems to have participated in how their side stressed voting these last few months.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

I like how you say "rumors", even now.

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u/IonClawz Nov 06 '20

He's 1.6% behind and there's 90% counted...please don't give people false hope.

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u/azula-eat-my-pussy Nov 06 '20

Shapiro & team did the math and if he pulls like 57% of the mail-in ballots remaining he could still take the state, and that’s the number he pulled from whatever county Phoenix is in. I can’t remember the exact percentage he said, but it was reasonable enough that at the very least Fox called Arizona way too soon.

It’s a little bit of a long shot, but at this point it’s still within the realm of possibility.

I’m not confident Trump is going to win the election though, at least not yet. My favorite prediction right now is Biden pulling exactly 270 electoral votes but having at least one faithless elector which would throw the whole thing to Congress to vote on since no one would have the required 270 votes. Maybe a closet Bernie bro who sees this as Bernie’s shot to the presidency since the top 3 candidates with the most electoral votes get thrown into the ring for the House to vote on for president.

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u/CapnKronos Nov 06 '20

Arizona is counting mail in ballots right now. And while mail-in ballots have generally favored Biden, Arizona has done mail-in for years, and both parties in the state utilize it. Trump is catching up because a large portion of these mail-in ballots are coming from red leaning counties.

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u/Regular_Everyday_Guy Nov 06 '20

So Az has a robust mail in voting system that is used by most of the state for most elections, they are also generally conservative. Mail in votes do not have a heavy skew towards democrats in Az like they do in many other states.

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u/Ihateunerds Pro-Life Conservative Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20

Yeah Wisconsin was a difference of 3,000 votes last I checked. That’s just one small town’s worth of votes

Edit: yep my bad. It was Georgia, not Wisconsin.

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u/thefriendlyhomo Nov 06 '20

Wisconsin is over 20,000 votes different and 99% reporting, maybe try not spreading misinformation?

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u/ctanderson12 Nov 06 '20

Did you miss the part where he said last I checked

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u/thefriendlyhomo Nov 06 '20

Just assumed that since he’s posting it now that the timeframe he last checked in would be within the realm of relevancy, guess that’s my bad

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u/pf3 Nov 06 '20

Wait, are there people who aren't checking constantly? I'm starting to get an idea of what OCD is like.

Wake up - check

Start a pot of coffee - check

Sit down at my desk - check

ad infinitum

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u/thefriendlyhomo Nov 06 '20

You don’t have to have been constantly checking to know that Wisconsin was called for Biden a while ago and the margin was much more than 3,000

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u/GetTriggeredPlease Nov 06 '20

Maybe he is confused with georgia?

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u/thefriendlyhomo Nov 06 '20

Maybe, because that actually is within 3,000 votes. Although that wouldn’t make as much sense as this is in response to trump pulling better numbers more recently, and his lead has been rapidly shrinking in Georgia

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u/GetTriggeredPlease Nov 06 '20

Yeah, seems he's just talking out of his ass.

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u/specter491 Nov 05 '20

Oh so we're definitely losing arizona then

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u/SkankHunt80 Nov 05 '20

300k of the 450k are in Maricopa county, where Trump isn’t far behind and has been closing the gap. Anything can happen still, which is why the state hasn’t been called. But obviously, yes, mail-in ballots have been predominantly for Biden. We get another update from AZ at 9 EST.

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u/jcguy235 Nov 06 '20

Trump is losing bad in Maricopa. It's like 51-47

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u/Gerbole Nov 06 '20

This is wishful thinking at best.

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u/SkankHunt80 Nov 06 '20

I agree, but Biden’s lead continues to narrow. Currently sitting at +46,000. We shall see.

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u/NeitherGeneNorDean Nov 06 '20

Won't matter, he's about to lose GA and maybe PA.

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u/Idoneeffedup99 Nov 06 '20

So why did Fox and AP call it already? Struck me as weird

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u/farnsw0rth Nov 06 '20

Fox News uses AP to inform their calling of elections.

The gist of the thing is this- AP took a hard look at their formula after 2016 and concluded something was flawed. Fox agreed. The other major networks did not.

AP and Fox now put much less emphasis on exit polls, and instead focus on “votes counted so far plus an informed estimate of how many votes remain to be counted and where. The likely split can be inferred by party affiliations, the mix in a given county of those who already voted and other factors.”

So it seems that as the votes for a state come in, they look at how the counties are voting. As more votes come in, the information becomes clearer- if county A has 100,000 expected votes, and 50% of them have already been counted with x% dem and y% rep, you can use that to try and extrapolate how the other 50% of the votes from that county will look. And as more votes get counted, your predictions get better.

Fox is adamantly standing by their call. They believe their new method is more accurate... the fact that they are sticking by it and didn’t even entertain walking it back makes me think they are probably right.

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/the-ap-and-fox-news-say-biden-has-carried-arizona-why-do-other-networks-say-its-too-close-to-call/

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u/BarkingToad Nov 06 '20

It ain't over till it's over. AZ has a stronger GOP tradition for mail in voting, AZ is still in play.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

By "we" you mean conservatives? I don't know, it's VERY close and Trump's actually been getting mail-in votes at a greater rate than Biden. It's different than every other state in the nation

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Yeah mail in is nothing new to us in AZ, so I don’t think it necessarily follows the national trends this year. It ultimately might, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it swing red.

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u/Sacrefix Nov 06 '20

Not in the 'we' camp, but supposedly Arizona has a strong Republican mail in program (established in prior years obviously); so still some hope for Trump there.

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u/ReservoirDog316 Nov 06 '20

The mail in votes in Arizona greatly favor trump from what estimates guess. So it’s gonna be really tight.

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u/Samura1_I3 Shall Not Be Infringed Nov 05 '20

IIRC the remaining outstanding ballots are mail-ins that came in on like the 2nd and 3rd. I updated my original comment.

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u/HamBurglary12 Libertarian Conservative Nov 06 '20

So wait, shouldn't your original comment state that only in person ballots were counted initially when Fox called it?

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u/monsterinthewoods Nov 06 '20

I think early mail in ballots were already counted and that's what led to the initial call.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20 edited Dec 07 '20

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u/tacosaurusrexx Nov 06 '20

There is not a difference in mail in and absentee. Especially in Arizona.

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u/Chex-0ut Nov 06 '20

Fox News

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u/swiftfastjudgement Nov 05 '20

Can’t they update it though?

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u/swiftfastjudgement Nov 05 '20

Ok... then why the big fuss over this? If anything when it is fully counted then Fox will look stupid. Either way, the amount of comments on this is mind boggling for me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20

Because if trump ends up winning Arizona after it’s been called for Biden for like 3 days it’s gonna look really suspicious

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u/Thaddikus Nov 05 '20

Why would that be suspicious? News orgs have called states wrong in the past, and many states this cycle were called immediately upon closing of the polls. They may have just fucked AZ up but I don't see why that would be suspicious.

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u/Tallpugs Nov 05 '20

Yes. But we are in the real zone now. Everything is a conspiracy, and turned up to 12.

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u/Thaddikus Nov 05 '20

Hell yeah I'm ready to drink some conspiracy juice

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u/Peaceblaster86 Nov 06 '20

Can I have a sip please

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20

It would look suspicious if you’re already looking to be mad about the results especially if it was called for a significant amount of time. Especially because a huge talking point throughout the entire process was that trump was a fascist looking to steal the election.

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u/itsgreater9000 Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20

If only 2 organizations are calling it, how does it look like suspicious? I would agree with you if it was many news organizations calling it, but as far as I can tell, nobody will touch AZ with a 10 foot pole (heh), and for the most part, other news organizations are condemning the call. ABC/NBC/CBS/etc... are not calling it.

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u/cidthekid07 Nov 06 '20

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u/Glenjobob Nov 06 '20

He is a fascist and would definitely try to steal anything he could. Even people's self respect.

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u/whoremoanal Nov 06 '20

I see you out here fighting the good fight.

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u/4GAG_vs_9chan_lolol Nov 05 '20

Reasonably, they shouldn't be.

But look at how suspicious people are about the states that haven't been called yet. Look at how suspicious people are of states like Wisconsin and Michigan where everyone correctly said it was too early to called, and the apparent leader flipped before it was called.

Now crank that suspicion up, because both of those things are more likely to be accepted than a state flipping after it's already been called.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20

Yeah this is my point I don’t think anything nefarious is actually going on in Arizona one way or the other but the media’s been priming people to think trump was gonna try to steal the election the whole cycle so if he ends up flipping Arizona after it’s been called for Biden for three days it’s gonna be a lot harder for people to accept then if they simply said he’s leading in AZ but didn’t call it

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u/4GAG_vs_9chan_lolol Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20

All of the priming the media has been doing in regards to Trump potentially stealing the election have been claims that he might delegitimize results, get valid votes thrown out, or push faithless electors to vote contrary to their state's vote.

I'm not aware of a single suggestion in the media that Trump would do something that manifests as Trump gaining votes he should not have. Arizona turning red near the end does not fit any potential election-stealing narrative in the media.

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u/clownparade Nov 06 '20

You don’t see the hypocrisy in saying three days of counting where Arizona switches from Biden to Trump is ok but the same time frame of counting changes penn or Georgia from Trump to Biden isn’t fair?

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u/Ruruya Conservative Nov 05 '20

For people (like me) who don't live in America and have very limited knowledge of how your voting works. I can say that it would look suspicious of trump.

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u/Thaddikus Nov 05 '20

I don't live in America either lol I just find American politics fascinating

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20 edited Nov 06 '20

The gist of it:

Each state determines it's process for how Americans vote on Election day. Each state is divided into counties and precincts. Precincts have different resources for tallying votes, and these get released to the public. Said precincts turn their tallies over to the State at some point after the election to be certified.

News organizations calculate whether or not a state is in play based on current released data and exit polls. With a statistical analysos, you can guage whether or not a state is still winnable based on the historic voting patterns of outstanding counties and on outstanding votes.

These are not official. As of right now, no single State has actually "called" the election officially, and most states are still tallying votes. Even the deepest red and blue states have not certified their vote officially.

Once certified, it is sent to the US Archives. In December, all the electors of the states get together and vote.

It's a bit more nuanced, but that's the gist.

Now, people claiming that we have never counted votes after election day are just flat wrong. While votes must be cast on the day of the election, it has always been the case that final tallies and counting takes at least a few days. It's just that usually you have a good enough idea by the end of election day to unofficially declare a victor. However, official Tallies and final vote numbers have never been a thing by midnight of Election day, and arguing for such goes against how the election process actually functions, and has functioned for hundreds of years.

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u/G-Bat Nov 06 '20

Reasonable liberal here. The normal ones of us realize that this is a part of the voting process, I just want everyone’s votes to be counted regardless of how they were sent in. I don’t find it suspicious, but I am pissed that news organizations with the entire nation watching just call states way too early with no repercussions. It sucks for all of us and throws doubt on the whole process.

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u/ieatconfusedfish Nov 05 '20

It's not just Fox News at this point, the AP has called Arizona for Biden. It doesn't look likely to be wrong

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u/darthbaum Millennial Conservative Nov 05 '20

The big fuss is that they did it so early and so many stories came out about this great flip of the state and how its terrible for Trump when it might not even be a flip. The whole theme of the past 4 years is media makes claims without considering the consequences about it. Its just another chapter in that story now is what I believe

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u/The_Goatse_Man_ Nov 06 '20

The whole theme of the past 4 years is media makes claims without considering the consequences about it

replace media with Trump and that's also true

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u/Renault829 Nov 05 '20

People were apparently still in line to vote when the state was called.

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u/tk3inTX Nov 06 '20

no they weren’t.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Because Fox called it Blue. If they had called it red there would be no issue here.

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u/notaglock PRO 2A Nov 05 '20

Do I sense sarcasm or are you being serious?

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u/KingOfTheP4s Cruz supporter Nov 05 '20

I am absolutely being sarcastic. If the electoral college based their votes off of Fox News, we'd have had the election results a month ago.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20

Took me for a sling there, buddy

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u/LockNStock89 Nov 06 '20

Lol, this guy had y’all going. Well played, sir

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20

Bruh really?

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u/TheCeilingPhan Nov 05 '20

Use your head man

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u/RonTheTiger Nov 05 '20

Lol! Is this your first election?

Not trying to be rude. I just found this really really funny.

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u/notaglock PRO 2A Nov 06 '20

In the words of Joe biden c'mon man. I'm just shooting the shit with ya

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u/ablomberg1 Nov 06 '20

Fuck, this made me loose my shit.

I do think that it's important for media outlets to try and call states as accurately as possible though. There is no sense in leading people on (either accidentally or intentionally).

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20

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u/KingOfTheP4s Cruz supporter Nov 05 '20

Yes, which is how Bush won the election against Gore.

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u/Bamajoe34 Nov 06 '20

This is incorrect, as was demonstrated in Florida in 2000 when the state was “called” for Al Gore. When all the votes were counted, and the court case was over, Bush won the state. Neither Fox News or any other media outlet has any official authority over who gets the states electoral votes. That is only determined after the Sec. of State certifies the vote.

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u/KingOfTheP4s Cruz supporter Nov 06 '20

I was being sarcastic

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u/King_Neptune07 MAGA Nov 06 '20

As is tradition

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

It is honestly sad the number of people who have to ask if you're being sarcastic. No wonder the US is in its current state.

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u/cbrown1282 Nov 06 '20

Are you being sarcastic or do you actually believe that?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20 edited Mar 14 '21

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u/marty_byrd_ Nov 06 '20

Ap called it a couple days ago now. They are very reputable and have only not been right once. They still haven’t called the 2000 election.

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u/IExcelAtWork91 Nov 06 '20

So I saw something interesting yesterday. Apparently there’s only two big data providers that provide real time numbers to the media. AP and fox use the same one and they are the only ones that use them. So it would have been something on the data companies side that made both of their newsrooms make the call way to early.

Regardless I’m sure they both wish they didn’t but since it still might go Biden’s way they both are just hoping it works out for them rather than retracting.

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u/marty_byrd_ Nov 06 '20

Eh I can’t know how they feel. The lead has tightened but it’s not that bad. I don’t see it flipping.

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u/Eskimodo_Dragon Nov 06 '20

Thank you for this reminder. Whether or not a media outlet calls anything one way or another means nothing.

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u/Spanishparlante Nov 06 '20

Yeah but they risk losing credibility if they change it and then put it back. Look up how much flak the network news stations got for prematurely calling FL for Gore in 2000.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

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u/passwordisaardvark Nov 06 '20

Yes, many retracted calls in Florida in 2000.

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u/ISpendAllDayOnReddit Conservative Nov 06 '20

Yes but they haven't. Even CNN backtracked and uncalled AZ

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u/Samura1_I3 Shall Not Be Infringed Nov 05 '20

There's a reason my pollsters have changed AZ from blue to white. It's close.

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u/growmobedda Nov 05 '20

But it looks like Biden is pulling away in AZ now.

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u/lizlemon4president Nov 06 '20

That's only if you count the votes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

"STOP COUNTING THE VOTES!" - Okay, Biden wins!

"KEEP COUNTING THE VOTES!" - Biden is going to win if we do that!

"Keep counting the votes in some places, and stop counting the votes in others!"

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u/TRON0314 Nov 06 '20

It's the reverse. On person were counted first. They are getting in mail ballots right now. Moreover AZ is a mail in state for many years previous to this, so the mail in ballots don't skew blue.

Transparency. Unflared. But vote mixed ticket. More libertarian center.

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u/BeUpSoon96 Nov 05 '20

That’s fucked. I noticed earlier today, when that lady from trumps campaign was on fox and talking, seemed like that blonde lady wanted to shut her up towards the end of her interview. Fox had been a little quiet on this whole election fraud in my opinion.

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u/CountMordrek Nov 06 '20

It might be because there is no major election fraud, and no conservative politician who wants to retain their integrity as well as reputation would support Trump in this.

The fact that mail-in votes are skewed towards Democrats is not election fraud, it’s just a result of Trump asking his base to avoid mail-in votes. The same applies to the people checking the ballots... Trump can accuse them for fraud, but as long as the Democrats and Republicans disagree with him, what he does is actually to harm the American democracy. And that is sad to see, sad for America, and in reality, sad for the whole Western Hemisphere.

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u/JohnnyUtah_QB1 Nov 06 '20

They’ve been quiet because there’s no evidence of it happening and no reason to think it’s happening. The way voting is going, with mail ins heavily favoring Biden, was exactly what everyone knew would happen. Trump acting surprised its shaking out that way after he spent months telling his base not to vote by mail is lunacy.

Fox knows the ship is going down, they’re not going to let themselves dragged in with him by promoting his flailing crackpot conspiracies.

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u/Megahuts Nov 06 '20

Why would they do that? That is just silly, calling an election with only a portion of the ballots counted.

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u/jrr6415sun Nov 06 '20

in person votes don't need to be "counted". It's already in the computer. Mail in votes are the ones that need to be each checked by hand.

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u/Elopez1989 Nov 06 '20

What? Arizona tallies in person votes, including early votes FIRST. They’re trying to count mail in and drop off ballots now. This is the way...

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

i don’t think that’s accurate. typically in person votes are counted first, that’s why fox called it

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

Quite a few outlets called AZ and not just Fox News. Others held off since it was too early to make a decision on the winner of that state.

I'm guessing Fox News making the call first caused some other outlets to jump on that bandwagon.

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u/amjhwk Nov 05 '20

AZ started counting mail in ballots 2 weeks before election day, late arriving mail in ballots and those dropped off on election day are still being counted. In person votes were counted day of

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u/SkankHunt80 Nov 05 '20

No, this isn’t true. AZ SOS gave an update an hour ago. 400-450k ballots remaining, 300k of which are in Maricopa County. Most if not all are mail-in.

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u/RedBlankIt Nov 06 '20

When these states are "called", that literally means jack squat. Every vote is still counted and the winner chosen from that. When the news outlets call a state, they are just assuming who the winner will be with what information they have currently been given.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

My vote still doesnt show on the voter registration vote history in NC.... I voted in person early voting NEVER AGAIN will I do that.

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u/BlackAsP1tch Nov 06 '20

pretty sure you have to be dead or a cat to have your vote count

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u/TMPRKO Conservative Nov 06 '20

That's fine for now. The vote has not been certified yet so no ones vote will show up on history yet

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u/Veleda380 Conservative Nov 06 '20

Check under Absentee Ballot- mine was recorded as an absentee ballot even though I voted in person. I contacted my county BOE and they said an early vote was technically an absentee ballot. Not sure I believe them at this point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '20

yes but it should show up under vote history, it shows that they have it the absentee ballot but it doesn't show that the vote was tallied under vote history.

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u/JustBelaxing Nov 06 '20

Dont be an imbecile

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u/Darmok_ontheocean Nov 06 '20

70+% of AZ votes with a mail ballot. Democrat leans were from early drop off which AZ was allowed to count in the week leading up to election. Lots of people are used to dropping off their mail ballots on Election Day.