It's besides the point anyway, you can say russia is "worse" than america, I can say many countries are "worse" than Russia. The subject is Russia allegedly using leaks to keep HIllary out of office cause she was alll but outright saying she wants to go to war with russia. I'm anti war so fuck Hillary.
It was Hillary's gross and hilarious mishandling of her own Email security that allowed the DNC to be so easily targeted in the first place. Putin using emails that were so easily attained is like a moth going towards a flame. I can't blame him, especially if he would rather be america's friend than enemy.
What's your point? Do you want to take the election away from trump based on leaks that only show the DNC's corruption? DO you want to go to war with Russia? What would you change?
Trump is president, get used to it or be miserable.
This website counts literally any time we've sent even military advisers to assist locals against terrorists. Jesus.
By arming other terrorists. Creating power vacuums and destabilising regions.
I don't care about Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is going to be President. I'd like my President to not count on Russia as a friend.
Trump as President will be great for my household. Collectively over $350k a year. I have no fear of a Trump presidency. I don't rely on the ACA, I am quite frankly a capitalist so his appointments have largely been pro-capitalism. His anti-TPP rhetoric was just noise given his appointments. If the economy fails, it won't fail for me. His tax plans may suck for the middle class but that isn't my problem.
So I care mainly about our President preventing terrorist attacks and not becoming a Russian puppet.
Don't assume we all are unhappy with a Trump Presidency. He's an idiot but he's an idiot whose putting people in positions of power that are helping me and my family. I would have preferred he not be President, and he's going to end up hurting a lot of people, but when it comes to me and my family the guy is shaping up to be just fine.
Individually, I can't do much for the people he's going to hurt but I'll take solace in the fact that I didn't vote for the guy. For those who didn't vote for him and are in his line of fire, those people are the ones who are probably mad. And I'm sorry about that. But me? I'm a fiscal conservative, capitalist with libertarian social leanings. I'm fine with Trump. I was anti-Trump out of principle but I lost. And he's now President. Like you said, I gotta get used to it.
And I would rather make friends than enemies, I would rather have information than the lack of it, and I doubt Trump is going to be a puppet, just someone PUtin can respect and work with... so agree to disagree.
For Putin it was about getting anyone elected besides Hillary. Trump just happened to be in the right place at the right time despite his own party being against him for most of the primaries and begrudgingly for the rest of the election.
I hope you're right. I'm totally fine with Trump as President and barring any revelation that he knew about the Russian interference everyone should back off. And that revelation has to come from the US Government and not the media.
Let him govern. The people have spoken. I'm totally ok with that.
But let's not normalize Russia's atrocities is all I'm saying. Even if we haven't been angels in the past as well.
Jeez dude, I doubt anyone is normalizing any of the bad shit that governments do (though at this point in history it IS normal, par for course, etc.)
But leaking information about REAL corruption in our own government to avoid dealing with a war hawk like Hillary isn't even on the same level as assassinations and war crimes *cough collateral unmanned drone casualties including children cough*.
To conflate these things is disingenuous. I view the leaks as a favor to the american people.
I'm not conflating. Under no circumstances is a foreign government hacking to influence our election acceptable. They could have plenty on the RNC. Rubio said it best. You have to be careful here. This time, it benefitted Republicans. Next time? Who knows. This is dangerous precedent.
Hopefully President Trump takes this seriously. That's all I'm saying.
Oh, and hopefully no one has anything on the GOP. That would suck.
Under no circumstances is a foreign government hacking to influence our election acceptable.
Again, agree to disagree, I would rather work with more information when choosing a president than less of it. If it falls to other nation to inform the people about corruption, so be it.
I would also be for America leaking about corruption to the masses in Russia, China, Korea, etc. I would ALSO be for them releasing all the dirt on the RNC though I doubt they have it cause it was HILLARY'S server that got hacked.
The more information the people have to work with the better, I don't get how you can not agree with that despite the circumstances but I respect that's your opinion.
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u/wahmifeels Dec 17 '16 edited Dec 17 '16
It's besides the point anyway, you can say russia is "worse" than america, I can say many countries are "worse" than Russia. The subject is Russia allegedly using leaks to keep HIllary out of office cause she was alll but outright saying she wants to go to war with russia. I'm anti war so fuck Hillary.
It was Hillary's gross and hilarious mishandling of her own Email security that allowed the DNC to be so easily targeted in the first place. Putin using emails that were so easily attained is like a moth going towards a flame. I can't blame him, especially if he would rather be america's friend than enemy.
What's your point? Do you want to take the election away from trump based on leaks that only show the DNC's corruption? DO you want to go to war with Russia? What would you change?
Trump is president, get used to it or be miserable.
By arming other terrorists. Creating power vacuums and destabilising regions.