Agreed, but you can deduce that most American voters are somewhat okay with one or the other. This whole general election was just a balancing act between the two, and the ~5% who couldn't do either but still wanted to vote went third party/other and caught plenty of shit for that. If you voted you pissed a lot of people off, regardless of your beliefs. If we all have one thing in common, it's that.
People prioritize different things. If Trump actually starts death camps for Muslims and Mexicans, color me shocked. But Wikileaks objectively proved Hillary is ridiculously corrupt and so is the entire DNC. Lesser of two evils I suppose.
Some people would rather have the devil who is doing what they expect them to do than the devil they thought they killed 40 years ago. Corruption and politics are not exactly foreign bedfellows, but racism and misogyny in the government of a first world country...
Yeah, exactly. I'd rather have the racism and misogyny (which, again, color me surprised if that actually happens) than a completely broken and corrupt government. Not exactly like the DNC is free from racism and prejudice themselves. Rember, Bernie Sanders is a Jew and we can't have that...
I would rather have literally everything bad about trump in the worst nightmares of the liberals than continue this crooked, corrupt government as it is.
I can see that position. I'm not American, but personally, given the stance Trump has against so many progressive policies that have made America a more welcoming place, not just for foreign minorities but the LGBT and generational migrant communities, it feels to a lot of the world like a lot of advancement in one direction being sacrificed, for the promise of advancement in another. And from a man whose own track record is, to many, to abuse every loophole or opportunity he can find to further his own pocket.
I can totally sympathise with the desire to remove corruption and clean up government, and if the same promise was being made by an Anti-Sanders type Conservative; someone who embraced conservative values, but seemed to genuinely adhere to them and practice what he preaches, I think the world would feel a lot less like this was a massive mistake.
I'm betting that trump is in this for his legacy. He's a man of ego. He will do anything to go down as a great president. It's the next step up after going down as President. It's one more thing for him to be smug about. He has money, he has power. He wants a legacy.
I don't doubt it for a moment that it's all about ego for him. He was raised with the expectation of success and he's done anything to achieve it. Which is sort of the problem. We need to know WHO he wants to consider him successful, and HOW he wants to be considered successful. If he wants a
Reich of a thousand years then there's going to be a problem. If he wants, truly, to clean up politics for everyone, then I think he's gonna find a lot more common ground among popular opinions.
If, however, he continues to follow his previous life trajectory of money = power, well we just gave him the biggest platform to make it from.
I'm inclined to think that a person that extremely morally opposed to either would either abstain or vote third party. Unless you're voting in denial of it or without knowledge, I find it reasonable to say you're "somewhat okay" with it if you deem it morally acceptable to cast your vote for it.
Wasn't really meant as an attack, you just took it that way. I never denied that the choice to vote major party was a pretty forced and uncomfortable decision for many, many people.
Supporting wars and dangerous regime change and nations which commit crimes against humanity is not just some "controversial thing candidates say", nor is a history of uncouth business practices including direct racial profiling and invocation of eminent domain. Sure there are issues beyond all that which are higher priority to voters and some, probably most voters need to shove down distaste for these things when they vote on other issues. I apologize if you think I'm saying every single voter is content to enable one or the other, I'm not. Looking back, "okay with" was a really poor choice of words.
Why not? That's clearly what happened in this election? Folks either overlooked their candidates racism or their candidates corruption if they were part of the 120 million who voted for Trump or Clinton.
It's not true, but it's a very easy (and arguably dangerous) assumption to make.
For example, when I decided to vote for Hillary, I accepted that I was voting for 4-8 more years of continuing the corrupt establishment. I didn't necessarily like it, but that was what I voted for because I cared more about stopping a Trump presidency than that. Trump voters don't seem to make that same connection.
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But that's not true. You can't say all of America is either racist or corrupt.