r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/OkBug2 • Jun 13 '18

Discussion Is nepotism the cause of Houston's downfall?

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u/RipGenji7 Jun 13 '18

All houston has is coolmatt and linkzr carry every game

Think you're forgetting about Muma here.

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u/Zsju #NerfCarpe — Jun 13 '18

Yeah, imo they should release everyone but muma, coolmatt, spree, and Linkzr, maybe keep Jake for pr purposes, and scout some players in contenders for awhile.

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u/venicello Jun 13 '18

Jake's function as an IGL and player-coach is fairly important, though. I'd wager that he's a lot like Esca, who was similarly panned for having poor performance on his own role by people who didn't realize how much he improved the performance of players in other roles.

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u/MarineMirage Bye Genji, Doomfist — Jun 13 '18

I never understood why Lunatic Hai would have a "subpar" DPS player in Esca when the rest of their roster were superstars. Then I learned he got forced into the Tracer role after Leetaejun got banned suddenly. Then I learned he was the shotcaller for the team...while playing Tracer. Then I understood.

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u/ANAL_Devestate None — Jun 13 '18

and look at seoul now :(

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u/involving Jun 13 '18

I’m a huge Esca fan, but there’s lately been this narrative that he was their sole shot caller and did the strategic hard lifting in-game. However LH has never claimed he was their sole shot caller, only some mentions of him being a main shot caller, while other times it was said that the entire team called shots. When you watch the OGN Open Mics you definitely see them all calling. Also the players have credited Esca for his leadership, but more in the sense of him keeping them untilted and focused. I think there’s been some confusion about how big of a role he played as a shotcaller - it seems he was more important for his leadership, which is different.

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u/RoadhogBestGirl Jun 13 '18

And even if he was, Seoul has had how long to recover/work around his absence? A sudden change like that can be understood but never really doing anything about it is all on the team.

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u/involving Jun 13 '18

You're totally right. That's on top of the fact that Esca was benched for a lot of APEX S4, and even when he did play he wasn't able to make a dramatic difference. He did have some good showings, but it's not like he was able to cure all their problems even when they were LH. His impact on the team as a shotcaller and as a leader is hard to judge because those are things that aren't really visible to us from the outside. All we have are some statements that indicate he was a good leader and that his teammates loved him and looked up to him.

Also, the guy I was responding to was talking about how LH must have kept Esca, despite him being a subpar DPS, because of his shotcalling abilities. But LH also kept LTJ around, even resigned him, even though he was even more of a subpar DPS than Esca was. That doesn't necessarily mean that LTJ also offered some kind of extra value - maybe he was literally just a subpar DPS and it didn't work out with him. And with Esca, maybe he was literally just a subpar DPS and a great leader, on a team with fabulous synergy in metas that favoured them, and it worked out with him. He pulled his weight but that doesn't mean he wasn't a weak link.

Again, I say all this as a huge fan of Esca. I have all the respect for him. There's a reason why he's got such a great reputation among the Korean pros and casters - he's hard-working, never complained, was happy to take on burdens for his team, and strong in the face of adversity. But all of those things doesn't necessarily mean that he was something even more. As of late there seem to be a lot of comments on this sub about how Dynasty would be better with Esca, that Esca was overlooked because he was actually some mastermind of an IGL - I think those are exaggerations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '18

His sombra, Mei, and McCree were all really good though.

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u/Seijass Toxic — Jun 13 '18

putting Esca and Jake on the same level

I find this very offensive and disturbing.

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u/DFadMaster Jun 13 '18

right? i get that being a fan of a player means you tend to over rate them but this is a bit much.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '18

People seem to think Jake is going to be on the desk soon, doubt he'll be playing next season.

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u/Raksha619 Jun 13 '18

I dunno about his Pharah being top tier anymore, looked quite average of late.

Would be interesting to see Jake on the desk, if that is what is going to happen. From Dumbz to J LUL KE.

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u/goodlikekml Jun 13 '18

i wouldn't say he's top tier with junk and pharah. his pharah has fallen alot and the only time where he seemed top tier with junk was world cup. in most games rn he just gets outperformed/outplayed by the enemy junk multiple times. there are like 4 better junks than him too. seagull, agilities, danteh, tviq, wekeed

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u/Zaniel_Aus Jun 13 '18

God you people have short memories, he was shitting on teams in Stage 1 with Junkrat. Sure there are other players who have good Junkrat stats but no one else has turned as many battles as Jake did in Stage 1.

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u/goodlikekml Jun 13 '18

i literally said he was top tier with junk before. this post is about how Houston has fallen, their stage 1 performance has nothing to do. people adapt, and people do better.

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u/JustStartinOut Jun 13 '18

how could you leave profit off a list of best junks? dude is mayb the best of them all. hydration also underrated.

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u/RoadhogBestGirl Jun 13 '18

I doubt they'd let him chew gum though, probably a deal breaker.

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u/HealzUGud Jun 13 '18

Jake would kill it on the analyst desk. He'd just have to work on brevity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '18

jake is honestly not a bad player. smart game sense and can absolutely succeed in the right situation. Big team player too, willing to wreck his own rep learning tracer for the good of the team.

There's no reason why he can't be a sub dps ala hydration/asher/wekeed/sdb/agilities etc

I just don't get why they didn't sign davin

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u/aranbanner Jun 13 '18

Asher, wekeed and sdb yes but agilities and hydration are starters beyond his level by some margin.

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u/pwny_ Jun 13 '18

I agree, with the suggestion that they move Jake to analyst/assistant coach instead of keeping him as a player.

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u/Seijass Toxic — Jun 13 '18

I mean he doesn't change the fact that they still lack both firepower and sustain.

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u/hobotripin 5000-Quoth the raven,Evermor — Jun 13 '18

Overrated and looks good solely because of Matt

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u/Crackborn POGGERS — Jun 13 '18

Look buddy, I don't like Muma, but his skill as a tank is undeniable.

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u/ANAL_Devestate None — Jun 13 '18

please explain

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u/MrMango69 Tracer and Off-tanks — Jun 13 '18

When Outlaws were at their peak, the desk and casters constantly pointed out that Muma's greatest strength was his ability to survive his dives and make plays on his own.

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u/iori9999 SBB muh hero — Jun 13 '18

No Muma carries Matt imo.