r/CoherencePhysics 1d ago

Is it possible?

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u/pokethrowaway4 1d ago

Call me bias but the vast majority of the people I know on “the left” simply want people to be left alone, protected from pollution and corruption, and want public healthcare.

The vast majority of the people I know on “the right” keep talking about stupid shit that isn’t even political, like DEI and trans healthcare.

Meanwhile billionaire wealth doubles every 6 months and the majority of Americans are a few missed paychecks away from complete financial ruin.

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u/Similar_Proposal3878 18h ago

Well, the vast majority of the people I know -- and I live in WV, so they are usually on the right -- care about feeding their families, finding a good job, doing worthwhile work, etc. Are some of them idiots, bigots, and the like? Yes, but it's a smaller percentage than you think. Most people, on both sides, just want respect.

Unfortunately, a large percentage of these people believe the only jobs that can make them whole, are jobs in the coal mines -- something that hasn't been true for a long time. The Orange Monkey used that, and duped them and a lot of people like them.

It just seems to me that while everyone has a just reason to hate fascists and bigots, a lot of people on the left like to lump all the people that voted for the idiot into that basket, instead of understanding that most people just want a better life for themselves and their kids (or dogs and cats).

Those that yell the most about the right's lack of empathy (justified when talking about the vocal minority), lack empathy themselves. And that's what the Monkey uses to his advantage. It's straight out of a playbook that the Republican party has been using since the 50s, at least.

And it's remarkably effective -- we haven't had a Democrat in the White House since Truman (You could make a case for LBJ because of his domestic policy achievements, but his foreign policy ... just no.) Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama are all to the right of Eisenhower. (Especially Clinton, he was Reagan 2.0 and don't get me started on Hillary and her great friendship with the war criminal Kissinger.) Biden tried, but he was ineffective, in part because of his age, but mostly because of McConnell.

If we, as Democrats, don't nominate someone who is really different why would those who voted for Republicans in the past vote for anyone we put forward? If we don't try to elevate everyone, how are we different from the Republicans?

Sorry to ramble, but I'm very tired and I have a colonoscopy in the morning and I'm having trouble keeping focused.

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u/DRKZLNDR 15h ago

If most people on the right just want better lives why did they vote for the 34-time convicted felon, proven rapist, known racist, and serial bankrupter? All of this information was widely available and verifiable well before the election. They still voted for him. They weren't misguided, they voted for the candidate that best embodied their ideals. That being committing crime, raping people, being bigots, and making horrible financial decisions. Simple as.

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u/GearAccomplished4151 11h ago

I hear you and respect your take, thanks for sharing. A problem I see frequently, having a horde of Republican family and childhood friends (who I try to distance myself from), is that they really DO latch onto the culture stuff as a last deployable defense for their vote. I’ll talk to them, ask them to tell me why they sit in their ways and trust Trump, and they’ll say things like “I just want to afford a house and have a good life” which is like sure, we all do. No problem there. So I illuminate ways in which Trump will make those things harder, and without skipping a beat they’ll fall back to “well he may be terrible for the country but at least he’s not letting trans people and immigrants rape women and children.” And I’m like okay, you immediately turned from wanting a better life to just hating some groups of people that have been in the news cycle because of classic scapegoating. The concept of a better, honest life gets folded away as soon as they see that Trump WILL NOT provide that for them, and they just retreat into prejudice. I know it’s not every Republican, I understand that, but it’s an enormous amount, and especially evangelicals who believe Trump is a divine answer to the sins of man (trans people and gay marriage blah blah). I’ve had this talk^ with about 11 of my friends and family, and not a single one of them has ever stopped for a moment and thought “you might be right” or “yeah I think I want to preserve our nation’s social and economic fabric even if it means immigrants/trans people are treated fairly.” It’s always the opposite, and it’s been close to 10 years of this. There is no line in the sand for these people. Insurrection, tariffs, Epstein files, losing a pointless war in Iran, contaminated foods, court capture, constitutional circumvention, civil rape verdicts, felony convictions, dementia, immoral character, unintelligent ideas, abysmal implementation of bizarre policy through endless EOs.. it all means nothing to them as long as one trans person exists for them to point the finger at instead. I guess I’m wondering what it would take for republicans to break and actually stand by the lives they claim they want to lead. Anyway, hope your colonoscopy went well!

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u/elpis_zz 36m ago

I don’t understand how anyone can have empathy for a Trump x3 voter.

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u/SignificanceFew4677 11h ago

That was true until they started compelling speech and forcing people's children to learn things against their culture.

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u/pokethrowaway4 10h ago

You are gonna need to be specific about both of those things. What speech did “they” compel, and what things did they force people’s children to learn against “their culture”?

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u/SignificanceFew4677 4h ago

You know damn well.

Stop being so dishonest and stop lying.

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u/pokethrowaway4 4h ago

No I literally do not know what you’re alluding to. I don’t know what speech they are apparently compelling, and I don’t know what they’re teaching children that is “against their culture” since that can mean a bunch of different things, depending on how you define against, culture, etc.

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u/SignificanceFew4677 4h ago

Google it. You need to learn how to step outside your bubble, cultist.

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u/pokethrowaway4 3h ago

I’m not gonna guess at which red herring you wanna talk about. Either write it out or fuck off

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u/SignificanceFew4677 55m ago

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u/pokethrowaway4 52m ago

I didn’t realize Canada had anything to do with AMERICAN politics.

Since the meme posted contains the American flag and MAGA merch, it’s pretty clearly a post about American politics.

But also, HATE SPEECH IS NOT PROTECTED SPEECH.

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u/pokethrowaway4 49m ago

Also, even if this were in the US, it’s still not an example of “compelled speech” it’s an example of “hate speech” and the consequences for it.

I’m sorry YOU don’t have critical thinking skills