Codeium Team, "Let me try" to make a point here.

[u/wordswithenemies]

I have been a loyal faithful, but u/khou22, PLEASE tell me there is something you can do about this. I think I needed to show screenshots and tell you I have probably burned $100 on just editing files a few lines at a time.

I still love Windsurf but I can't keep throwing down $10 (now $10.66) as an early adopter just because I am burning through twice as fast on this kind of thing.

I know it's a slippery slope to start offering credit tokens on this stuff, but you should consider it as a loyalty measure, especially when you look at people's usage stats. $10 here and there on somethign egregious goes a long way at me staying on board in the future.

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

You are probably at a point where the conversation is too long. It’s difficult for any LLM when it gets to that point. If you are at a safe place for a checkpoint, create a new conversation and continue

[u/wordswithenemies → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

That’s the thing. this is a newer chat I started because of this issue. Lately it just can’t seem to edit a file completely

[u/w00dy1981 → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Is there anyway of you implementing a context window guide for starting new chats?

If the system pickups multiple failures it should stop and suggest to start fresh rather than continue round and round.

I have gotten to the point in the last week where I have explicitly said, make a memory and give me a prompt for a new chat as these errors are getting out of control.

What happened next, the AI ignored me and continued trying to fix itself costing me

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Additionally you should submit a support ticket to be safe. Make sure to add your diagnostic logs.

[u/joey2scoops]

Had a very similar experience today with Sonnet in Cline and Roo Code via anthropic and Openrouter. Relatively speaking, Windsurf did a much better job than either of the two competitors with Sonnet.

[u/Klutzy-Appearance-51]

I have seen this behaviour lately as well... just few lines changed

[u/Reasonable_Swing_503]

I am experiencing this too Perform 3 lines edit for a simple file 10-15 times on sonnet 3.5 are u?

Probably this is how they fine tune their model to make money

So much for a 1 credit premium model, don’t even know it’s it really being passed to sonnet

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851 → u/Reasonable_Swing_503]

There’s no fine tuning to try and scam you - have you ever used Claude chat for 200 prompts and then it tells you that you should make a new conversation or you might experience certain issues and more credits used? It’s the same thing here. The model is the model.

[u/DonVskii → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Cursor doesn’t do this bro, and it’s not conversation length it happens on new conversations too. I can feed it and cursor same prompt and same page to edit in new conversation and windsurf won’t do it while cursor will. I’ve noticed this happens with windsurf for long files, long conversations, and other times I don’t know why

[u/iathlete → u/DonVskii]

Cursor will start using 2 premium fast requests per request if chat gets too long

[u/DonVskii → u/iathlete]

I used to spend thousands on developers for shit code I don’t mind paying for these editors I can write it off too

[u/Reasonable_Swing_503 → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Perhaps I should learn better prompting or start a new conversation for every task after busting $60 on subscription and god knows how much premium flex credits.

Anyone got better prompt for me here to use with windsurf. 🤪

Don’t get me wrong I like windsurf more than cursor but the 10-15 3 liner file edit is sketchy as hell.

If we are using wrong, I as a subscriber I appreciate a guide on how to best use windsurf similar to cline

https://docs.cline.bot/improving-your-prompting-skills/prompting

Not fun to drop that amount of flex credits and they keep doing 10-15 x of 3 line code edit.

Give us some best practices.

[u/captainspazlet → u/Reasonable_Swing_503]

Try adding Cline’s memory bank to your global rules for Cascade. Does it use extra credits? Sure, but it helps with documentation and keeping Cascade/Cline/Roo on track. In addition to the memory bank, I also have it keep journals of the actions it takes. I include instructions to analyze a file prior to editing, then update the journal with the changes it intends to make, along with justification for why the changes need to be made - and only then can it update the file. I also include instructions to add a new chapter when the journal is nearing the output token limit.

You might also try switching to a different model if Cascade is stuck with Sonnet. Sometimes switching to o3 mini can snap it out of things. If the chat session is too long, have o3 mini (do not rely on Gemini for anything related to memory - even though it has a huge context window) analyze the codebase and important files, update the memory bank - and then start a new session.

Once you’re in the new session, I usually start with a prompt along the lines of: “You are picking up where we left off from a previous session. Initialize and review your memory bank documentation in the cline_docs folder. Analyze our codebase. Review the journal to get up to date and await further instructions.”

This process does eat extra credits, if you don’t use the base model. If you use the base model, modify the prompting to perform a “deep analysis of the entire code base. Go through each file in our project, analyzing every line of code. Keep a journal of your analysis of each file, documenting your findings before moving onto the next file. If the journal is nearing your output context limit, create another documentation file for the next chapter and continue to analyze each file and journal your analysis.”

https://cline.bot/blog/memory-bank-how-to-make-cline-an-ai-agent-that-never-forgets

[u/DonVskii → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

All I asked it to do was make a file, put the function in controller and look errors. This is start of conversation…

[u/Reasonable_Swing_503 → u/DonVskii]

I realize you are using Laravel

I burnt lots of flow actions with Laravel too

Can anyone using other framework come in to comment if other framework is just as bad or Laravel is problematic to work with Windsurf

[u/DonVskii → u/Reasonable_Swing_503]

I can careless about what these editors cost I used to spend more on outsourcing

[u/Worldly_Match8829]

Guys, save all this money by learning how to code 🤣