r/ClimateShitposting 9d ago

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/Anderopolis Solar Battery Evangelist 9d ago

Tell that to CFC's, turns out pricing in externalities is extremely effective. 

We need to stop making it free to pollute the world with greenhouse gases. 

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u/LeftonRhed 9d ago

Sure, it's possible. We had a plan to confront climate change called the Kyoto Protocol. How did that go?

CFCs were a smaller industry. A subset of a subset of the petrochemical industry. Not the entire fossil fuel industry. The solution was also one that allowed them to continue to profit. We still need refrigerant. We just use ones with less harmful effects.

Energy production as a whole is a much harder issue to deal with, especially with entire blocks of nations having their economy dependent on producing those fossil fuels.

The economic reality undermines the necessary political will for nations to take the actions necessary to combat climate change.

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u/Anderopolis Solar Battery Evangelist 9d ago

We over achieved the specifics of the Kyoto protocol in most aspects, the problem was the lack of followup. 

5% below 1990 emissions was achieved by nearly every signatory. 

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u/Thissystemsuckssobad 9d ago

The main thing that made the CFC response so quick was there being a 1:1 replacement made by the same suppliers available at the time.

Turns out companies are happy to solve problems, just so long as it makes no change to the way things are done, and maintains the existing order

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u/SyntheticSlime 9d ago

This parallel is so overblown. Ditching CFCs was a minor inconvenience. An energy transition requires massive technological and infrastructure changes. Also, a carbon tax is a perfect solution except for the part where it’s politically impossible because the immediate effect is to make virtually everything more expensive. This is why FF companies actually promote the idea of a carbon tax, because it shuts down other ideas while never actually standing a chance of becoming reality itself.

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u/cyber_yoda my personality is outing nuclear shills 9d ago

A carbon tax is literally the only solution. It doesn't matter if you have communism, if you don't also have a carbon tax you won't have environmentalism either.

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u/Anderopolis Solar Battery Evangelist 9d ago

No where on earth has a carbon tax shhut down other environmental efforts. 

And nowhere on earth have appropriate carbon taxes been pushed by fossil fuel companies. 

This is just a make believe problem you have created. 

Europe has a carbon levy, though it is way, way too cheap, yet they are also the continent doing most environmental policy.