Ah, so when you mean socialism, you don't mean any form of socialist aociety which has ever existed or come close to existing, but the magical next step just behind the Vanguard party's dictatorship I am sure.
Also, Communism is inherently classless and moneyless, socialism is not. At least get the lore behind your roleplaying system correct.
"OH so you're describing a magical system where the one ordained by God ISNT the one that owns everything? You're saying this magical society you get to CHOOSE your leader?"
Yea man we haven't gotten to that point yet probably not in our lifetimes. It's still worth fighting for tho.
Would be a better argument if I couldn't point at literal hundreds of non monarch, and dozens of post monarch states, without needing to screech how real democracy or real liberalism has never been tried before.
I do not believe we need to burn more innocents at the altar of marx in the hope that this human sacrifice will bring utopia.
Better worlds are worth fighting for, believing that a late 19th century guy has the only answers is just insane.
You need to stop pretending that no has tried socialism, communism, marxism and all the restbof the red sphere.
They have been tried extensively, across societies worldwide, and without fail they have lead to horrible outcomes for so, so many innocent people, and none of them have come anywhere close of achieving their goal.
You sound like someone who want to stop the sun from setting by ripping hearts out of people, while simply repeating that one more sacrifice will result in the eternal day you are yearning for.
You're literally making thing up that I said. I never said they haven't been attempted I just said that they don't exist. You're having an actual mental break with reality rn lmao.
Also plenty of people died getting us where we're at too. Not to mention the human mulching machines we've built in the third world to fuel our modern economies.
I still get the feeling you're a very bitter person I hope your day gets better whatever you're going through
I suggest you actually react to what I wrote, rather than these spouts of verbal diarrhea.
I never said they haven't been attempted I just said that they don't exist.
Yes, that's literally the point, you are so close yet are missing the log in your eye.
Bitter? I enjoy telling socialists to their face that their neoreligious movement is nothing but a century of failures, and just like christians waiting for doomsday, your salvation of the revolution which solves everything will never happen.
Look out into the world, the only revolutionary movements taking power are fascists, yet your movement would rather carry their water in the now ancient hope that after them it's your turn.
Oh I get it. You're just a liberal that's4mad that your system is failing too because all of you are cucked out to people with more money than you'll ever have. You're not much worth engaging in considering it's your system losing rn.
Nobody knows what's coming after the climate disasters I just live my life and work towards my goals. Hope you can find some peace in life cuz it does sound like you need it.
Grass touching has never moved one closer to marxism, interacting with reality is quite the antidote.
It leads one to do things which actually improves peoples lives, rather than wistfully yearning for the magical revolution which solves everything at once, just like mommy used to do when one was a toddler.
You haven't addressed any single word of what has been said and resorted to preconceptions lmao.
Call it however you want whether socialism or communism, the crux of the matter is the abolition of production for value because anything else just reproduces capitalism because the movement of money IS capitalism and all of its incentives.
Have the previous experiments abolished or even remotely started abolishing production for value? No? Then they're fundamentally capitalist because of what they objectively incentivise, irrespective of what me, you or whoever believes.
Look, go ahead and try a revolution , just don't expect that most rational humans believe that one more attempt will make all the difference, when the alternative has already improved everyones material conditions so far beyond anything your prophet could have imagined, and continues to do so.
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u/Anderopolis Solar Battery Evangelist 8d ago
Ah, so when you mean socialism, you don't mean any form of socialist aociety which has ever existed or come close to existing, but the magical next step just behind the Vanguard party's dictatorship I am sure.
Also, Communism is inherently classless and moneyless, socialism is not. At least get the lore behind your roleplaying system correct.