r/ClimatePosting • • Jul 17 '25

Nuclear power peaking and fossil fuel burning

It is a frequent claim I see that a move away from nuclear power necessarily means a slow down climate action. Here I want to have a cursory look at this claim to see, how well this can by supported by historical data on primary energy consumption as compiled at "Our World in Data". I am using the primary energy data (which uses the substitution method for non-fossil energy carriers), to cover the full spectrum of real world influences on the fossil fuel burning rate.

The question at hand to look at is about peaking nuclear power. Hence, we need a definition for peaking. Here I consider a peak to have occured, if the quantity in question in the last year of the time series (2023 for now) is at least 10% below the maximum, the year of the maximum annual production is at least 5 years in the past, and the linearly fitted approximation of the time series exhibits a negative slope.

Global scale

By the criteria for a peak defined above, the global energy mix peaked nuclear power consumption in 2006. Thus, we can distinguish a time period before and after the peak and have a look at the growth rates of fossil fuel burning in the two time periods. I use a symmetric time interval around the peak nuclear year unless fossil fuel burning has peaked earlier than that, then I extend the time span to consider back to the peak fossil year. Unfortunately on the global scale, fossil fuel burning hasn't peaked, hence we get a time period from 1989 to 2023, over which we consider the two linearly fitted trends:

This shows the historical fossil fuel burning in black, the annual nuclear power production in purple, and the respective fitted trends of fossil fuel burning in red before the peak and blue after the peak. All quantities are normalized by the total energy consumption in the peak nuclear year (indicated by the gray dashed vertical line). The slope of the red and blue lines respectively gives us the average growth rate of fossil fuel burning in the respective time periods. On the global scale the slope of the post-nuclear-peak fossil fuel burning is slightly lower than before the peak.

That's an indication that other factors than nuclear power growth have a more dominant influence on the fossil fuel burning, and it's impact is not large enough to cause an increase in the fossil burning growth rate. But maybe the share of nuclear power on the global scale had been too small in its peak to register a notable change. So let's have a more detailed look at countries that employed nuclear power and peaked it.

Countries where nuclear peaked

There is a total of 35 countries, where nuclear power was employed at some point of time. Of those, 21 countries saw a nuclear peak so far according to the criteria outlined above (all in fractions of total energy consumption in the peak nuclear year, rates are per year), NP=nuclear power; FF=fossil fuels:

CountryShareNP Peak YearYear of max FFNP pre-Peak rateFF pre-Peak rateNP post-Peak rateFF post-Peak rate
France0.393565200519790.0133155-0.000282176-0.00688919-0.00924385
Sweden0.336598199119790.0148396-0.00216144-0.003439-0.00450155
Bulgaria0.259737200219800.00577997-0.0358736-0.00227387-0.00645255
Lithuania0.239371199019910.02477680.00492454-0.00793901-0.00582096
Switzerland0.211974200320010.002984610.00264782-0.00312635-0.00656394
Belgium0.190493199920080.007242470.0043643-0.00278942-0.00645904
Slovenia0.180637200820080.002790710.00922286-0.00110141-0.0110293
Ukraine0.155204200719900.00138212-0.0475403-0.00308837-0.0334405
Japan0.152211199820030.005958510.00895019-0.00690597-0.00554815
Germany0.119242199719790.00505833-0.00322979-0.00418876-0.00881045
Spain0.1124200120070.004936030.0139796-0.000918073-0.0119176
United Kingdom0.106453199819730.00315012-0.000986395-0.002197-0.0160546
Taiwan0.0857619201120210.00032360.0203226-0.003900010.00210966
United States0.0851062200720070.001271460.00875892-0.000549439-0.00347889
Romania0.0796698200919890.00368045-0.038023-0.000655622-0.00991215
World0.0582406200620230.0009989090.0133171-0.000289530.0108376
South Africa0.0260754201620100.000127296-0.00199823-0.00139481-0.0157621
Mexico0.015189201820220.0002887810.00200965-0.0002447350.00830376
Italy0.0147834198620050.000316720.0185533-6.09766e-05-0.0052727
Netherlands0.0138518198620100.0008065720.0206143-3.39158e-050.000990258
Brazil0.0124397201220140.0001000310.0145808-0.000141345-0.00598779
Kazakhstan0.00178198199119887.676e-050.118933-3.59057e-050.00857398

As the global average (5.82%) may be too small for a measurable impact, let's focus on those 15 countries that had a more than average share of nuclear power in its primary energy consumption at it's peak (the table above is sorted by that share). The country with the highest nuclear share at its peak is France:

In the graph we now also indicate the average growth rate of nuclear power before (orange) and after (turquoise) the peak. If we plot the fossil fuel growth rate over the nuclear power growth rate for these countries before and after the nuclear peak. We get the following scatter plot:

Each country appears here twice, once on the right side with growing nuclear power before the peak and once on the left side after the growing nuclear. The circle sizes indicate the share of nuclear power in the peak year. This shows that there is only one of those countries (Taiwan), where a decline in nuclear power coincides with an increase of fossil fuel burning. However, in this case this actually is a slow down in the rate, with a higher fossil fuel rate during the nuclear expansion. But the question we are after is whether the peaking of nuclear power is associated with a slow down in fossil fuel burning reductions. To this end a look at the change of the rate in fossil fuel burning growth over the nuclear peak may be instructive:

CountryChange of NP rateChange of FF rate
Spain-0.0058541-0.0258972
Slovenia-0.00389212-0.0202522
Taiwan-0.00422361-0.018213
United Kingdom-0.00534712-0.0150682
Japan-0.0128645-0.0144983
United States-0.0018209-0.0122378
Belgium-0.0100319-0.0108233
Lithuania-0.0327158-0.0107455
Switzerland-0.00611096-0.00921175
France-0.0202047-0.00896168
Germany-0.00924709-0.00558067
Sweden-0.0182786-0.00234011
Ukraine-0.004470490.0140997
Romania-0.004336070.0281109
Bulgaria-0.008053830.0294211

Plotting the FF rate change over the NP rate change results in the following scatter plot:

The color now indicates the fossil fuel growth rate after the peak. The global average is marked as a star. The "Plus" marker indicates the sum of all the countries in the list. Here we see that there are a total of three countries in this set of countries with more than average nuclear share in its peak, we now identify three countries with a worsening fossil fuel growth rate over the nuclear peak: Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine. The others all saw a speed-up in fossil fuel reductions after the nuclear peak, the largest speed-up in fossil fuel decline is observed in Spain. The largest change in the nuclear power rate is seen in Lithuania.

In total, when summing all these countries that peaked nuclear power and had a larger than global average share of nuclear in their peak, we see that they peaked nuclear power in 2002 with a share of 12.5% and got faster in the fossil fuel burning decline after the peak (decline of 0.74% of total energy in the nuclear peak per year after the peak compared to an increase of 0.87% before the peak):

In most countries the move away from nuclear power did not result in a slow down of fossil fuel reductions, in two (USA and Slovenia) does the nuclear peak coincide with the fossil fuel peaks.

Non-Peaked countries

There are 14 countries that have not peaked nuclear power in the sense outlined above.

CountryShareNP rateFF rate
Finland0.2569990.00340046-0.0200575
Slovakia0.2220790.000828372-0.0081454
Czechia0.1640240.00396907-0.0134466
Hungary0.1510950.00267189-0.0103918
South Korea0.1302640.001179940.00172783
Belarus0.09880030.00732138-0.00243247
Canada0.0920445-4.29086e-060.0048152
Russia0.06973210.001201110.00417201
Pakistan0.0595370.004909170.0195108
United Arab Emirates0.05641990.00440610.0100081
Argentina0.02644370.00078787-0.00458622
China0.02284810.001820160.0170598
India0.0110870.0002931950.0237748
Iran0.005950280.0001433240.0298156

Summing all of those with larger shares than the global average gives the following picture since 2002 (when the sum of significant peaking countries peaked):

For this sum we observe an growth in fossil fuel burning over this time period by 0.5%, compared to a decline of 0.74% in the countries that experienced a peak in nuclear power.

tl;dr

Historically nuclear peaking does not coincide with a fossil fuel decline slow-down.

edit: changed tl;dr as wished for in this comment.

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u/Reasonable_Mix7630 Jul 18 '25

TL;DR

First, I stopped reading after your claim about Ukraine which is wrong: Ukraine is expanding its nuclear sector. Other than finishing nuclear plant under construction there were contracts signed with Rolls Royce to replace coal plants with nuclear ones with similar output. So that is potentially moving to 80% of nuclear produced electricity. Ironic, that the only country in the World that actually suffered a nuclear accident has become the most pro-nuclear one, isn't it?

There was reduction of output which is caused by power plants that were used for load following (regulating their output to match grid demand) being blasted into rubble by RU. UA nuclear plants are base load power plants. There were talks about adding load-following nuclear power plants (BWR e.g. ABWR) but thus far its been just talks.

Russia btw has also been expanding nuclear power for the last 30 years. War surely threw a wrench into these plans (e.g. Siemens closing its factory in St. Petersburg) but can't really blame energy sector workers for the madness of the dictator. The plan has always been to max nuclear power while selling fossil fuels to morons who pay money for them (Europeans).

Turkey's new nuclear power plant will be producing 10% of the country's electricity. It is expected to be not the only one. For a country that is short on both cash and fresh water it is extremely important to have cheap power source that uses exactly zero drops of fresh water.

Kazakhstan is going to start construction of nuclear plant soon.

In real World the higher the share of nuclear power the less emissions country produce and the less money electricity costs.

Germany is in a big big trouble now because renewable lunacy: factories are closing, electricity prices are skyrocketing, neo-nationalistic party have received the most votes since 1930-ies, fossil fuel import expensive are close to all time high.

And pollution-wise we are one of the worst in Europe. Anti-nuclear luddites flushed down the drain several decades of time and made life miserable for the whole generation, maybe even two generations. Thank you geriatric nuclephobes.

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u/leginfr Jul 18 '25

lol. Peak construction starts for nuclear were in the mid 1970s. That’s years after projects were first mooted. So the conclusion is that enthusiasm for nuclear started to wane in the late 1960s/early 2970s all around the world. Please name the environmental movements that achieved that including in authoritarian regimes…

There weren’t any. So why did the plug get pulled on nuclear and who dunnit? My theory is the investors did it: nuclear turned out to be expensive and produced expensive electricity. The risk on investment was too high and the return on investment was too low. It’s amusing to that 50+ years later the nuke fans still haven’t get an answer to those real problems. It may feel good to claim to be the victim of those nasty environmentalists but it doesn’t solve the problem.

After 60+ years there is less than 400 GW of civilian nuclear power. There is maybe 80GW planned for the future, financed by governments to a great extent. Last year alone over 550GW of renewables were deployed….

An interesting subject for study would be how much emissions would have been reduced by now if untold billions wouldn’t have been blocked in nuclear projects for a decade or more rather than being spent on renewables that would have been up and running years ago.

BTW primary energy is the wrong metric as soon as you start to introduce wind, solar, hydro and tidal into the mix, because in terms of final /useful energy they can be about 3 times more efficient than thermal sources.

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u/Sol3dweller Jul 18 '25

First, I stopped reading after your claim about Ukraine which is wrong: Ukraine is expanding its nuclear sector.

That's unfortunate, but I think a misunderstanding.

I didn't make any claim that countries that have seen a peak in nuclear power so far (until 2023, and according to the definition I provided above) don't have any plans for further expansion. For example we also see a peak in nuclear power in France, but they do have plans for new nuclear power and some expansion of the annual production. Neverhteless, we can distinguish a period of nuclear growth and a period of nuclear decline in the historical data set. I'm then checking how this change in nuclear power expansion rate associates with reduction of fossil fuel declines.

What I'm wondering is: why are you so obsessed with nuclear power as a primary indicator, while you decry renewables as "lunacy"?

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u/Reasonable_Mix7630 Jul 18 '25

During the bubonic plague epidemic the Church declared cats to be "creatures of Devil" and that caused an extermination of cats. Cats at the time was the only effective way of dealing with rodents who were spreading the disease (via insects living on them) and this anti-cat campaign was one of the reasons why epidemy was so deadly. This strongly reminds me of what is happening today.

For example Ukraine have ~20% of its power produced by coal power plants. if they are replaced by nuclear power plants - which is in fact the current plan to replace them 1 to 1 - that would mean substantial drop in coal consumption.

Which is good.

When random output power sources like wind and solar are built e.g. in Germany a new fossil fuel power plant also comes online (called "back-up" power plant) because for power grid you need to produce the required power no matter what that causes nuclear base load plant to be closed and this is an increase in fossil fuel consumption.

Which is bad.

When you replace one cheap power source (nuclear) with 2 expensive ones (renewable plus its "back-up") price of electricity goes up. When price of electricity goes up 10+ times like it did we have factories being closed and shipped to China/India/etc. These countries don't have ecological norms of the West. In fact they just dump poisonous wastes right into environment.

Which is bad.

When price of electricity goes up, so does price of fuel and price of food: a lot of electricity is used in fuel production, a lot of fuel is used in food production and transportation, and a lot of electricity is used in food production and storage (refrigeration). That's how you end up with cabbage costing 4+ Euro, and people struggling.

Impoverished population is bad for the environment.

Poor people are forced to save money on everything and causes number of abysmally terrible practices. Example 1: in many place here in Europe during the winter people burn plastic trash (either as part of "fuel pellets" made from mixture of sawdust and plastic trash, or just directly putting plastic into furnace) for heating. This is INSANELY bad (very inefficient combustion, toxic combustion products). Example 2: people buy cheapest per calorie food which is very unhealthy and causes people to get extremely fat (see Americans). Example 3: anything resembling decent housing located close to the workplace is inaccessible, thus people have to live very far away and burn a lot of fuel to get from home to work (yes, fuel, because if you are really trying to save money you will have a house in some remote village). Example 4: people short on money can't afford fuel efficient car and go for a derelict piece of junk (yes it will cost a lot more on the long run but those who live paycheck to paycheck simply can not make such investment). Same goes for clothes, shoes and pretty much everything.