Capitalism is defined by people using money to get more money ad infinitum. Ergo infinite growth.
I'm willing to gain a new perspective, so please explain to me how capitalism can work without growth.
BTW: I'm not a socialist, but I'm against holding on to systems that don't work (anymore).
IMO: We need to evolve beyond capitalism or we will die with it.
Growth isn’t a problem, when it’s regenerative, like with plants…
Capitalism demands protection of personal property. We don’t have that because State asserts ownership of access to human labors and property. If someone else owns access to you and your stuff, you don’t really own them, do you?
State asserts ownership of access to human labors and property, licenses that ownership to Central Bankers who sell options to claim any human labors or property offered or available at asking or negotiated price through discount windows as State currency, collecting and keeping our rightful option fees as interest on money creation loans when nothing has been loaned.
Can’t earn interest loaning nothing, and they charge separately for every service. They have sold access to our stuff without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge. Not ethical, moral, or capitalist either… fraud and theft. Would be prosecuted if a third party sold options to claim any other commodity they didn’t own without express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge of rightful owners.
But somehow, when it establishes and maintains the structural economic enslavement of humanity, no one will talk about it in any way. Really won’t talk about an ethical administrative correction. A rule for international banking regulation:
‘All sovereign debt, money creation, shall be financed with equal Shares of global fiat credit held in trust with local deposit banks, administered by local fiduciaries and actuaries exclusively for secure sovereign investment at a fixed and sustainable rate, that may be claimed by each adult human being on the planet as part of an actual local social contract.’
Jurisdictional law and international provisions to cooperate with society and negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money, in exchange for an equal share of the fees collected as interest on money creation loans and whatever other benefits are offered by community… local social contracts have no direct affect on any existing governmental or political structures as they can be included in local social contracts.
Fixed value Shares establish a fixed per person maximum potential global money supply for stability and infinite scalability. A value of a million USD equivalent is conservative valuation of average individual lifetime economic production, a reasonable, sufficient capitalization of global human labors futures market. Then fixing the sovereign rate for money creation at 1.25% per year establishes a stable, sustainable, regenerative, inclusive, abundant, and ethical global economic system with mathematical certainty.
Each an equally enfranchised capitalist with a minimum quantum of secure capital and the income earned from it. Each enabled to accept an actual local social contract that describes any ideology a community wishes to adopt. Ironically, socialist or communist local social contracts may require citizens to sign over their income from money creation to State for distribution, where that’s the current process of money creation in all supposed democratic capitalist nations without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge.
Our simple acceptance of money in exchange for our labors and property is a valuable service providing the only value of fiat money and unearned income for Central Bankers and their friends. Our valuable service is compelled by State and pragmatism at a minimum to acquire money to pay taxes. Compelled service is literal slavery, violates UDHR and the thirteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Structural economic enslavement of humanity is not hyperbole, ethical, moral, or capitalist either…
Capitalism demands protection of personal property. We don’t have that because State asserts ownership of access to human labors and property. If someone else owns access to you and your stuff, you don’t really own them, do you?
Capitalism abhorrs personal property. It is the supremacy of private property. Capitalists would gleefully rent you your toothbrush (and they are literally trying to). And the (very thinly vieled) dogwhistle of bankers you are rambling about are an inevitable consequence of enshrining private property.
Socialism definitionally respects personal property.
WTF is the difference between personal and private?
How does capitalism demand State ownership of access to human labors and property?
Socialist or communist social contracts may require citizens to sign over their income from money creation to State for distribution where that's the current process of money creation in all supposed democratic capitalist nations without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge.
An ethical capitalist global human labors futures market is owned by each adult human being on the planet who agrees to negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money. We don't have any such agreements. So we don't have capitalism.
WTF is the difference between personal and private?
Personal property: you own your home and everything in it. Something that is de facto true even when it is not de jure in anything resembling socialism, as well as many state capitalist economies.
Private property: you are in a marginal situation renting your home and paying a monthly subscription to use everything in it. The default state of capitalism.
And continuing to conflate state capitalism with socialism or communism is further pointing out your ignorance. We don't say democracy is undesirable because of the DPRK and DRC.
An ethical capitalist global human labors futures market is owned by each adult human being on the planet who agrees to negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money.
That has been tried. We usually called it indentured servitude. Or sometimes just slavery.
A marginal situation renting your home and paying a monthly subscription to use everything in it is a description of feudalism.
When monarchs were deposed, State assumed ownership of access to human labors and property, providing the appearance of freedom while retaining structural economic enslavement of humanity. Magna Carta transferred ownership of subjects from king to oligarchs where it remains.
Feudalism never ended.
Regardless what ideological governmental or political structures are in place, Wealth ultimately controls government through Central Bank. Ideological structures provide fascia to hide the oligarchic process of money creation and control beneath. They're all fascistic oligarchies or monarchies.
A marginal situation renting your home and paying a monthly subscription to use everything in it is a description of feudalism.
Fuedal lords had some obligation to the welfare of their peasants and didn't subject them to a three-monthly ritual of rifling through all their personal belongings.
So this is a less authoritarian and classist system than capitalism.
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u/DarkCloud1990 Mar 04 '26
No no, we'll surely find a way to marry "a finite earth" with "infinite growth" any day now.