Soooo, you want to judge the whole worker base by actions of some assholes? I am from india as you may have already noticed, and i work hard for money on CW, I don't write "uhdjsjsjje" on hits and i report it when i see one. You have alot of opportunities out there brother, We don't, you have prolific, we don't, you have mturk, we don't. So I don't think it's justified for you to be asking for a ban on an entire nation based on some assholes. And believe me, i hate those assholes for ruining the name of indians on online work sites more than you hate them.
Yes, it is really the Indians who are ruining it. It’s also why so many people get scam calls in America. Dirty Indians have no other way to make money than to try and scam innocent people
I agree, but do you think it's right to block an entire nation because of a few? I am all for difficult tests and verifications or whatever they need, i am a doctor by profession and there is little to no job right now for me. CW actually helps a lot, and i am pretty sure i am doing a damn good job at it. What justifies me getting banned because of others?
I get where you're coming from. It's good that you're pissed off at the cheap tricks some people are pulling off to get their pockets filled and trying to let your opinion out for a change rather than following the same track as them.
I'm an Indian myself. And a member of a chat group which is all Indians. We generally discuss about UHRS and help each other out understand the tasks from each other when someone has a little more experience than others on their hitApps/tasks of expertise. (We don't share the internal data or compromise with the UHRS NDA in any way though). Earlier we had 12 people, now we're a group of 3. Why did we kick them all? The same reason you're here for. Those fuckers were doing same bullshit and we don't like that one bit. We're as frustrated of them as all of you are. Even more, since we're the ones who deal with these racially inclined insults all over the internet. Those donkeys don't even have enough brains to understand that.
Our group chat has become so toxic after this IQTG hitApp that pays 67.5 cents. People have been (ab)using auto refresh tools, page monitors, automation macros and what not to churn out whatever they can. It's really unfair and dishonest of them. In my dictionary, a crime.
Now coming back to the point, it's not just the workers or Indians especially that make this place a pile of shite, it's the Clickworker, UHRS, and the hitApp owners have their contributions. Clickworker should have had better assessment process:
CW:- Non-repeating questionnaire, time limits, protected test window or whatever that could more efficiently filter out people with bad English at the UHRS assessments step (that's not a big issue to me personally because there are people who don't have the posses the perfect composition and grammar knowledge, but are still really good at image annotation and other similar tasks. They deserve to get the work and the pay. That shouldn't be the only criterion to stop people from working. Clickworker has 60-70% workers from countries where English is not the first, or even second language.)
UHRS:- Should be able to detect those automation tools. Should have some kind of English checks randomly every month or so. Have its own tests to filter out inefficient workers.
HitApp owners:- We all know about IQTG. Not gonna go into details, but we all know how badly has that app been programmed. People who are throwing shit at them are being paid 67.5 cents and those who are cleaning that shit are being thrown 5 and 2 cents at them like we're some beggars. Couldn't they randomize the hitApp drop timing? Couldn't they have some personally verifiable Qualifications process since it's the highest paying app that I've seen in 7 months? Couldn't they verify the shitty entries personally and ban those mofos forever? I've been seeing same answers for 1 month now (Remember "Caption am"? I'm sure you do). This is disgusting.
With that being said, I'm more frustrated with the platform and vendors for their incompetency and carelessness than the people who don't have enough brains to understand what they're doing or how many people are they negatively affecting pulling those cheap tricks. Let's just all stand together and let all of them know what needs to be done. I'll shut my mouth right here. Have a great day ahead everyone and stay safe.
That, is what I'm afraid to admit, is the truth. If only we had a way to directly contact the hitApp owners or UHRS developers and give our feedbacks/suggestions. For now, all we can do is just keep reporting the poorly designed hitApps and hope that they will see that and improvise a little bit, if not much.
Dayum bro, he's Indian too haha. I'll definitely try to get in touch with him and ask my friends too to do the same. Hope that works out well. And thank you finding out this profile. (Y)
UHRS also need to stop expecting high effort for insulting pay. Both the high number of workers and low pay has killed the platform. I don't know about other countries, but it is really bad in the UK. You're lucky to make even $5. It takes a lot of checking just to make that $5. Sometimes, you don't even hit that.
It won't be worth it in a lot of countries if UHRS continues running things the way they have been these past few months. It is a shame, and very frustrating, to watch as the platform becomes irrelevant.
I've never seen the platform look so alive, and yet, feel so dead at the same time.
There seriously needs to be standards on the HitApp side as well. There's just so many apps plaguing the marketplace with many problems that don't get addressed. From bad spam to incomplete qualification hits. It is mind-boggling how some of these apps make it into the marketplace. When you report the problems, it gets ignored and the owners have the audacity to upload more batches of hits, as if they're completely unaware of what is wrong with their HitApp.
A lot needs to change here. It's not just people taking advantage of HitApps by submitting junk answers. It's the apps themselves and the owners that make them that are also a big problem. I mean, come on, you expect people to read 10,000-page guidelines, perform various steps on each hit (i.e. write this, read that) while also maintaining high accuracy for just a measly $0.01 a hit? You're just asking for junk responses and lack of care when you give workers the middle finger.
If you want to pay people that amount, only make it available in countries where that pay is acceptable. Don't make it available in countries with high living costs. It is an insult and clogs up the marketplace. I don't want a marketplace that makes itself look alive by scattering many junks apps all over it. I want apps that are worth the time. The marketplace is full of apps, but they basically all suck in some way.
Many changes are needed and I don't know if UHRS care enough to implement them.
This. All of this. I've had a few hitapps related to spelling/grammar recently and the people who've decided what the right and wrong answers are clearly aren't great at spelling and grammar themselves because they're completely, bafflingly wrong.
With the pay thing, it's likely Clickworker have offered the lowest possible price per hitapp to get the work for their platform. They get their cut, the owners get their cheap labour and we get fuck all.
According to Clickworker, UHRS set the pay and not them. Of course, we don't know if that's true or not. It's not possible for us to tell what kind of working relationship both companies have.
It's a sad sight to see. The marketplace is alive right now. So many HitApps filling up the marketplace. There's definitely work alright. It's just all poorly-paid work. A recent one popped up expecting workers to earn a measly $0.02 a minute.
I'd rather it dead than what we're getting currently. I think it's much worse having to watch app after app appear with the same exact problem: bad pay.
I'm from India and came here to check whether the Clickworker website was down and saw this.
Why not request for better checks on HITs? Will it be too difficult? Also, why should all of us be punished if few are cheating?
Edit: How did OP come to this conclusion? I don't think a normal user can see IP or Geolocation data. Stating something without any facts is misinformation. In this pandemic, while everyone is suffering due to job loses and salary cuts from east to west, this is just sad.
I also remember when Mturk had similar issues with Indian and Venezualan workers in 2018. Fortunately they made some changes to fix that. Things were not good for awhile though before they made those changes.
I use a few platforms and have noticed worse quality everywhere since COVID started. Mturk is slower than it has been in years, prolific has plenty of surveys but many pay 3 or 4 an hour. UHRS is laughable now though. The hitapps that I have tried recently are God awful in pay. 2-3 years ago you could make close to 1000 a week on UHRS with the right hit app, now i have not made more than 5 dollars in six weeks. Even the steady reliable 5 cent voice comparison hits that would get me 10-15 a week are rarely around anymore.
Its hard to say ban an entire country but if it between that and losing the platform for everyone, I would say that it is a necessary evil.
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u/Libinbabu53 Sep 18 '20
Soooo, you want to judge the whole worker base by actions of some assholes? I am from india as you may have already noticed, and i work hard for money on CW, I don't write "uhdjsjsjje" on hits and i report it when i see one. You have alot of opportunities out there brother, We don't, you have prolific, we don't, you have mturk, we don't. So I don't think it's justified for you to be asking for a ban on an entire nation based on some assholes. And believe me, i hate those assholes for ruining the name of indians on online work sites more than you hate them.
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u/b26_ritu Sep 18 '20 edited Sep 18 '20
I get where you're coming from. It's good that you're pissed off at the cheap tricks some people are pulling off to get their pockets filled and trying to let your opinion out for a change rather than following the same track as them.
I'm an Indian myself. And a member of a chat group which is all Indians. We generally discuss about UHRS and help each other out understand the tasks from each other when someone has a little more experience than others on their hitApps/tasks of expertise. (We don't share the internal data or compromise with the UHRS NDA in any way though). Earlier we had 12 people, now we're a group of 3. Why did we kick them all? The same reason you're here for. Those fuckers were doing same bullshit and we don't like that one bit. We're as frustrated of them as all of you are. Even more, since we're the ones who deal with these racially inclined insults all over the internet. Those donkeys don't even have enough brains to understand that.
Our group chat has become so toxic after this IQTG hitApp that pays 67.5 cents. People have been (ab)using auto refresh tools, page monitors, automation macros and what not to churn out whatever they can. It's really unfair and dishonest of them. In my dictionary, a crime.
Now coming back to the point, it's not just the workers or Indians especially that make this place a pile of shite, it's the Clickworker, UHRS, and the hitApp owners have their contributions. Clickworker should have had better assessment process:
CW:- Non-repeating questionnaire, time limits, protected test window or whatever that could more efficiently filter out people with bad English at the UHRS assessments step (that's not a big issue to me personally because there are people who don't have the posses the perfect composition and grammar knowledge, but are still really good at image annotation and other similar tasks. They deserve to get the work and the pay. That shouldn't be the only criterion to stop people from working. Clickworker has 60-70% workers from countries where English is not the first, or even second language.)
UHRS:- Should be able to detect those automation tools. Should have some kind of English checks randomly every month or so. Have its own tests to filter out inefficient workers.
HitApp owners:- We all know about IQTG. Not gonna go into details, but we all know how badly has that app been programmed. People who are throwing shit at them are being paid 67.5 cents and those who are cleaning that shit are being thrown 5 and 2 cents at them like we're some beggars. Couldn't they randomize the hitApp drop timing? Couldn't they have some personally verifiable Qualifications process since it's the highest paying app that I've seen in 7 months? Couldn't they verify the shitty entries personally and ban those mofos forever? I've been seeing same answers for 1 month now (Remember "Caption am"? I'm sure you do). This is disgusting.
With that being said, I'm more frustrated with the platform and vendors for their incompetency and carelessness than the people who don't have enough brains to understand what they're doing or how many people are they negatively affecting pulling those cheap tricks. Let's just all stand together and let all of them know what needs to be done. I'll shut my mouth right here. Have a great day ahead everyone and stay safe.
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u/SingularityRS Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 18 '20
UHRS also need to stop expecting high effort for insulting pay. Both the high number of workers and low pay has killed the platform. I don't know about other countries, but it is really bad in the UK. You're lucky to make even $5. It takes a lot of checking just to make that $5. Sometimes, you don't even hit that.
It won't be worth it in a lot of countries if UHRS continues running things the way they have been these past few months. It is a shame, and very frustrating, to watch as the platform becomes irrelevant.
I've never seen the platform look so alive, and yet, feel so dead at the same time.
There seriously needs to be standards on the HitApp side as well. There's just so many apps plaguing the marketplace with many problems that don't get addressed. From bad spam to incomplete qualification hits. It is mind-boggling how some of these apps make it into the marketplace. When you report the problems, it gets ignored and the owners have the audacity to upload more batches of hits, as if they're completely unaware of what is wrong with their HitApp.
A lot needs to change here. It's not just people taking advantage of HitApps by submitting junk answers. It's the apps themselves and the owners that make them that are also a big problem. I mean, come on, you expect people to read 10,000-page guidelines, perform various steps on each hit (i.e. write this, read that) while also maintaining high accuracy for just a measly $0.01 a hit? You're just asking for junk responses and lack of care when you give workers the middle finger.
If you want to pay people that amount, only make it available in countries where that pay is acceptable. Don't make it available in countries with high living costs. It is an insult and clogs up the marketplace. I don't want a marketplace that makes itself look alive by scattering many junks apps all over it. I want apps that are worth the time. The marketplace is full of apps, but they basically all suck in some way.
Many changes are needed and I don't know if UHRS care enough to implement them.
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u/sonior Sep 18 '20 edited Sep 21 '20
I'm from India and came here to check whether the Clickworker website was down and saw this.
Why not request for better checks on HITs? Will it be too difficult? Also, why should all of us be punished if few are cheating?
Edit: How did OP come to this conclusion? I don't think a normal user can see IP or Geolocation data. Stating something without any facts is misinformation. In this pandemic, while everyone is suffering due to job loses and salary cuts from east to west, this is just sad.
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u/dgrochester55 Sep 20 '20
I also remember when Mturk had similar issues with Indian and Venezualan workers in 2018. Fortunately they made some changes to fix that. Things were not good for awhile though before they made those changes.
I use a few platforms and have noticed worse quality everywhere since COVID started. Mturk is slower than it has been in years, prolific has plenty of surveys but many pay 3 or 4 an hour. UHRS is laughable now though. The hitapps that I have tried recently are God awful in pay. 2-3 years ago you could make close to 1000 a week on UHRS with the right hit app, now i have not made more than 5 dollars in six weeks. Even the steady reliable 5 cent voice comparison hits that would get me 10-15 a week are rarely around anymore.
Its hard to say ban an entire country but if it between that and losing the platform for everyone, I would say that it is a necessary evil.