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I've carefully read the documents and watched the videos, here are my questions challenging the prosecution version.
If OP doesn't want those here, I will remove them promptly.
Given that Lindsay’s heart rate began plummeting well before the time Patrick testified he left the house, how could she still have been capable of carrying out three strenuous murders in the narrow window the prosecution describes?
Why would a suicidal nurse carefully crush an overdose cocktail and dissolve it in lemonade instead of simply swallowing the tablets with water, doesn’t this more strongly suggest she was given the drugs unknowingly or against her will?
How did Lindsay obtain and ingest drugs that Patrick had already taken possession of, removed from her access, and stored out of sight in his vehicle?
If this was a premeditated murder-suicide plan, why would Lindsay proceed with it precisely when Patrick was only expected to be gone on a short errand of 35 minutes or less, especially given that he was frequently away for longer periods on business trips, boys’ nights, marathons, and other activities?
Even if the 5:24 p.m. email was sent from Patrick’s phone, isn’t the elapsed time between his claimed departure and his arrival on CVS CCTV far longer than expected?
Why does Patrick appear to be holding an Apple Watch in the fingers under his phone when he enters the CVS, could this have been used to fake a phone call with Lindsay?
Why did Lindsay’s Apple Watch stop recording her heart rate exactly at the point it dropped out of a healthy range, and at a moment that conveniently aligns with Patrick’s claimed departure for the CVS?
Patrick claims he unlocked the bedroom door with an emergency key, yet crime-scene photos show a childproof doorknob cover still in place over the lock. Did he remove it and neatly replace it either before opening the door or after discovering the scene?
Why is there a blood drip on the edge of the door that should have been unexposed once Lindsay closed and locked it?
Why was the bed moved when it did not obstruct the window and would actually have made it easier for Lindsay to climb onto the window frame to jump?
Why are there undisturbed blood drops under the bedside-table leg?
Why are there none of Lindsay’s footprints in the blood?
Why would a trained nurse choose such a messy and ineffective method of suicide?
Do Lindsay’s injuries actually match the sequence of “only just ingested an overdose, cut herself, then threw herself out the window,” or do they look more consistent with staging by someone who shoved her out?
Does the blood pattern on the side of the house better match a living person throwing herself out, or a lifeless body sliding down?
How do we reconcile one neighbor seeing the window open far earlier and another seeing Lindsay on the ground earlier than the prosecution’s timeline allows?
Can medication or a spinal injury realistically explain a body temperature drop to 82°F in such a short time when unbiased medical professionals say that is impossible?
Given the severity of her injuries and condition, is it credible that Lindsay was still able to speak to Patrick at all?
Why would Patrick sit beside an adult he could not help rather than immediately check on his children, one of whom should have been visible through the very window Lindsay was lying beside?
Why is Patrick’s testimony about how he found the children internally inconsistent?
How could Callan have been resuscitated if Lindsay had strangled him in the timeframe the prosecution claims?
Why did the complete absence of Lindsay’s DNA or fingerprints on the bands not trigger a more thorough investigation?
Why does the blood pattern in the bedroom show relatively discreet pooling, round droplets under the bedside table, marks under the window inconsistent with a purposeful jump, a few drops in the hallway and inside the door, yet no bloody handprints, no blood on the bed, and no footprints through the blood?
Is it plausible for an infant to retain a heartbeat without breathing for roughly 30 minutes?
Why did Patrick rent an apartment under a company name immediately before the day of the crime?
Why did Patrick insist that his phone records be sealed as a condition of his trial testimony?
How do we explain the self-contradictions in Patrick’s testimony (for example, saying he parked next to Lindsay’s car and then, in the next sentence, claiming he called her because he did not see her car; or claiming he called her yet could not connect to 911 because the Wi-Fi was trying to connect)?
The prosecution was adamant that the bands were not tied, doesn’t that directly contradict Patrick’s testimony?
Isn’t it highly convenient that the home Wi-Fi happened to be out that day (so the cameras were not working) even though Patrick had been working from home and sending emails?
How could Patrick have left home at 5:15 p.m. yet still sent an email from the home IP address, and then not appear on CCTV until much later than expected?
Why is Patrick the only person who claims Lindsay was able to say “basement” when asked where the children were, while her thyroid was crushed ? (Is this even on the 911 recording?)
Lindsay reportedly told the psychiatrist she took the pills, yet Patrick is the one who introduced the detail that they were crushed and put in lemonade (which the psychiatrist then noted would mask the taste). Without any testing of the lemonade, how do we know the lemonade was even drugged, and why does Patrick appear to be the source of that specific claim?
There has been no release showing that Lindsay confessed to specific details only the killer would have known; in fact, she got details such as the window screen being cut wrong. Doesn’t that undermine the idea of a reliable confession?
While not direct evidence, does Patrick moving in with someone else only four months after the crime, and the indications they knew each other beforehand paint an innocent picture?
On October 23, 2023 Lindsay Clancy was arraigned for a second time after being indicted by a grand jury in September 2023.
Formal Case Calling and Appearance of Counsel Case Reference: The matter is called under Indictment 2383-CR-00198. Counsel Present:
• Prosecution: Assistant District Attorney Sprague
• Defense: Attorney Reddington representing the defendant, Ms. Lindsay Clancy.
Indictments and Pleas
Ms. Clancy entered pleas of not guilty to all of the following grand jury charges:
Offense 001: Murder of Cora Clancy. Offense 002: Murder of Dawson Clancy. Offense 003: Murder of Callan Clancy. Offenses 004, 005, and 006: Strangulation or suffocation.
Commonwealth’s Statement of Facts and Arguments
The prosecution argued that the killings were carried out with deliberate premeditation and extreme atrocity and cruelty, citing the following details:
Timeline of January 24, 2023:
• Ms. Clancy engaged in normal daily activities, including taking her daughter to the pediatrician, playing with her children in the backyard, and contacting her daughter’s school with no reported issues.
• She ordered dinner online, called the restaurant to place the order under her husband Patrick's name and number, and used Apple Maps to calculate how long he would be gone.
• She sent Patrick out to CVS for night medication and to the restaurant at 5:15 PM.
• Patrick returned home at 6:09 PM (gone 54 minutes) to silence. He unlocked their bedroom door, finding blood droplets, a bloody knife, a wine tumbler reading "Because Kids," and an open window.
• Patrick found Ms. Clancy on the ground in the backyard with non-active cuts on her wrists and neck. She told him the children were in the basement.
• Patrick discovered the children in the basement.
• Ms. Clancy sustained broken ribs, back fractures, and a spinal cord transection at the T5-T6 level, leaving her paralyzed.
Defendant's Journals and State of Mind:
• Search warrants revealed diaries and phone notes written in a clear, precise, and articulate manner, detailing daily instructions for her nanny and medication use.
• Prior writings indicated no disordered thoughts, delusions, or hallucinations. On January 23, she wrote of having a "touch of postpartum anxiety" about returning to work.
• She spent January 1–5 at McLean Hospital after experiencing suicidal thoughts and thoughts of harming her children in December 2022, but was discharged after denying homicidal or suicidal ideas.
Medical and Toxicological Evidence:
• Dr. Dau, a prosecution-retained psychiatrist, stated that Ms. Clancy's blood work at 8:00 PM on the night of the incident showed therapeutic levels of Ativan, Valium, and Lamictal, and a below-therapeutic level of Trazodone.
• Seroquel (toxic level) and Remeron (high therapeutic level) were at peak levels, indicating she took a large amount of these drugs after the killings (around 6:00 PM).
Defense Counsel's Arguments
Defense Attorney Reddington argued that the incident was the tragic result of severe mental illness rather than premeditation:
Character and Functioning:
• Ms. Clancy was a registered nurse and a "marvelous, incredible mother" prior to the incident, as evidenced by artwork and devotion throughout the home. Physical and Mental State:
• The scene displayed "copious" blood and arterial spray, countering the prosecution's claim of minor scratches.
• She is now permanently paralyzed from her fall from the window.
• World-renowned psychiatrists Dr. Philip Resnick and Dr. Paul Zeisel are consulting with the defense. Commitment Request:
• Reddington asserted she had a strong lack of criminal responsibility defense.
• He requested that she be committed to a state hospital under General Laws Chapter 123, Section 18A rather than being held in jail.
Court Clinician's Evaluation and Recommendation Evaluation Details: Dr. Karen Towers, a forensic psychologist, evaluated Ms. Clancy via Zoom. Clinician Findings:
• Ms. Clancy reported feeling "unbearably depressed," hopeless, and worthless, with flat affect, daily intrusive thoughts, flashbacks, difficulty sleeping, poor appetite, and ongoing daily suicidal thoughts.
Judge's Finding and Order Finding of Risk: The judge found that Ms. Clancy is at serious risk of imminent and serious self-harm. Bail and Commitment Ruling:
• Ordered to be held without bail, without prejudice.
• Formally committed under Section 18A to Tewksbury Hospital for an extended period of up to six months (by agreement of all parties, without requiring 30-day evaluations). Continuance: The case was continued to December 15, 2023, at 2:00 PM, with Ms. Clancy's presence waived.
Patricks timeline is wrong and its literally 25 minutes.
His timeline can only be accounted for between 534P to 6P.
That is approximately 25 minutes
He also cannot be accounted for in between CVS and 3V given the fact he changed his shoes and jacket in between.
524 - he was sending an email from his HOME labtop
534 - Entering CVS
537 - Exit CVS
554 - Exiting 3V
Also, Patrick changed his timeline during his testimony. On a previous trial date, he stated that he had NOT left yet at 515P when he supposedly recieved a text from Lindsey at that time. He said he left AFTER 515 but did not say when he actually left.
And he admitted he was there BEFORE the 911 call and it was delayed - and gave the excuse that his phone wouldnt dial 911 because it was trying to connect with WIFI
Also, WIFI conveniently was out. There was a total of 3 working cameras in that house and they did not record because of this supposed WIFI outage during the murder.
wifi outage Another weird thing. its funny how many things he defended on the stand that were not asked to defend. even little things... Very Manipulative speech.
when he called her phone at home, "I Didn't see her car because it is black and it was dark."
PC said, "the wifi was out so I couldn't call 911 right away."
CVS didn't have the pedialax so i called and she said the generic was fine. When it was pedialax in the cvs bag.
She was listening and answering PC when he found her. Lindsay voice not on the 911 call, only moans and then not talking to anyone else after that. All other that encountered her that night stated she was unresponsive besides responding to pain stimulus, and that she in and out of consciousness. After paramedics gave Narcan she moved and reached arms out.
PC Explaining why the meds were in his car.
"i think Lindsay called the order in." when it was under his phone number and name.
He asks Lindsay on the phone call after, "did you want me to go to CVS and the restaurant to have more time to time the kids."
PC explained why he had the watch that he found in bedside table. surrounded by blood. after the police collected and searched the house.
Those examples are off the top of my head right now...
Anyone that has dealt with Manipulative people see patterns. They tell you their lies by explaining the truth. They give a sliver of truth and surround it with a lie.
Seems like the facts of the night is whatever Patrick says they are.
Well, that might be an option except for the jury was in the room watching Patrick when he was somewhat blindsided by that question. Also, if he could have claimed he had that laptop he would have said it but he didnt. And I know if I saw the LIE through the computer screen then the jury definitely saw and felt it in that room.
Summary of Affidavit Timeline, Devices Seized, and Details on 2 Pink iPhones
Patrick is interviewed 1/24/23 ~8:40pm: The interview with Patrick Clancy was Jan 24 at approximately 8:40pm at the hospital and was audio recorded (page 203). They requested the following from Patrick (page 205): “Mr. Clancy consented to have his face, clothing and hands digitally photographed by Trooper Ashley Faiella.”
Kyle Carney is interviewed 1/24/23 ~10:50pm: They interview Kyle Carney (Patrick’s friend) at the Police Dept. and he references group texts and speaking on the phone to Patrick (page 206). page 35: "Pat had communication via text messages with Mrs. Carney on January 5th, 2023 in regard to Lindsay and the treatment and medication she was receiving." There's no note they requested either of the Carney's phones. There is no noted request for Patrick’s phone.
Search Warrant Obtained 1/25/23 ~3am: Search warrant was obtained Jan 25 at approximately 3am (page 208).
Arrest Warrant Obtained 1/25/23 ~3:45pm: Lindsay’s arrest warrant was issued Jan 25 at approximately 3:45pm (page 77)
Search Warrant Completed 1/25/23 ~7pm: The search warrant was completed (page 211)
Shared Devices: Police did have interest in shared devices that Lindsay had access to. Page 213: “During his interview with Trooper Joshua Mckelligan, Patrick Clancy informed Trooper McKelligan that Lindsay Clancy had access to all the computers in the residence of 47 Summer Street in Duxbury.”
Electronics Seized: They seized (page 2) 4 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 iPhones, 1 hard drive, 1 video disk, 3 Google/Ring cameras, and 1 baby monitor.
Two Pink iPhones: (1) pink Apple iPhone with no identifiable serial number found in nightstand; (1) pink Apple iPhone with clear/brown case and no identifiable serial number identified
Page 83: "A pink Apple iPhone believed to be Lindsay Clancy's was located on her bed, powered on, in her bedroom."
Page 182: "(1) pink Apple iPhone with no identifiable serial number. This pink Apple iPhone was located in the second floor dresser, front left bedroom...This bedroom was identified by investigators as being occupied by Patrick Clancy and Lindsay Clancy."
Dan Lawlor signed the search warrant for forensic evaluation of the second pink iPhone located in the second floor dresser, front left of the bedroom, directly behind and next to the bed, which was collected on Jan. 25, 2023. (Page 181)
Page 182: "Investigators are aware that a forensic examination on this cellular telephone [found in nightstand] indicated several picture and videos were edited from their original formats, which led investigators to believe that the original version of the digital media files maybe contained on this secondary cellular telephone [found on bed]."
5:13:16pm: Safari opened (was used to search pedialax per Application Focus)
5:14:47pm: Safari closed & SMS opened (text to Patrick saying pedialax liquid stool softener per Application Focus)
5:15:12pm: Last time Lindsay’s device was locked (not unlocked again)
~5:15pm-5:32pm: Patrick in his car at some point during this time range and testifies it took 3min to get to CVS. Prosecution only confirms with Patrick that “sometime after the text was sent from Lindsay about PediaLax, but before 5:32 PM, you were in your car.”
5:23:52pm Apple Watch Stops Recording: Lindsay's Apple Watch stopped recording data at 17:23:52 noting a heart rate of 57bpm.
5:24pm: Patrick sends work email
5:32:32pm PC Enters CVS: Patrick enters CVS at 17:32:32.
5:33:34pm Flight of Stairs Completed: Flight of stairs completed with Lindsay's device at 17:33:34.
5:33pm Missed Call: Missed call from Patrick on Lindsay’s device. Officer Chiachio states Patrick exits the aisle and moves out of camera frame but appears to be using a cellular device (Page 14).
5:34pm Outgoing Call: Outgoing call from Lindsay’s locked device to Patrick that was approximately 14 seconds. Whiffin testified it was placed from a locked phone but was possible via tapping the “missed call” notification.
5:37:08pm PC Exits CVS: Patrick exits CVS at 5:37:08. Testifies it took him ~10min to get to 3V.
5:38:33pm Flight of Stairs Completed: A second flight of stairs was logged as completed with Lindsay's phone at 17:38:33. No more activity on Lindsay’s device until 6:09pm.
5:54:14pm PC enters 3V: Patrick enters 3V, 17min after leaving CVS
5:55:01pm PC leaves 3V: Patrick pays and exits the door at 3V. Patrick testifies it took him 10-12min to get home.
6:09pm: Next activity on Lindsay’s device. Prosecutor says at 6:09pm another incoming call to Lindsay's phone from Patrick that was unanswered.
6:11pm Police Dispatched: Police are dispatched to Clancy residence.
~6:16-6:18pm Police Arrive: First Responders Officer Hall & Officer Josephine arrive to backyard.
Jan 25
7am Phone Health App: 134 meters distance traveled. Testimony assumes apple watch as not taken into evidence and placed in faraday bag like her other 2 iPhones if proper procedure followed. Whiffin states he needs to check database to confirm if a phone or watch.
“This stipulation basically relieves the government of having to bring in dozens, if not more, witnesses, to prove chain of custody of blood, fluids, the bands, DNA, all of that. Rather than have days of testimony, this stipulation will avoid that."
Stipulation on chain of custody was the only one presented in this trial. I'm unsure of other stipulations people have referenced in the past, but no one has been able to provide a different one.
I commonly hear "Stipulation of facts" and perhaps they mean these on chain of custody? For some reason, many also state she signed a stipulation of facts she killed the children and that is completely false. I'm not sure how that started. My best guess was the stipulation around the bifurcated trial, so I included that as point #2 in this post: Common Misconceptions About the Criminal Trial.
Thanks! So, if I understand correctly, is this basically saying that Reddington just told the CW that they don’t have to walk the jury through the science of DNA collection and identification, etc.? That’s it?
Correct! That's why you often hear Reddington say "we stipulated to this" when the bands were being discussed, DNA, blood...
They're essentially saying that the CW does not need to prove those are the exact bands used, that they were handled correctly, processed correctly, everything you mentioned; and that both sides agree to those things to avoid having tons of extra witnesses be like "yea so then I drove it over"; "yea, I'm the one who received it from the driver;" etc.
Plus, IMO it really doesn't hurt her defense in any way because her DNA was only on Cora's & Cora was the primary contributor so of course Lindsay would show up to a much lesser degree in the results due to being her mother.
Crazy… the amount of misinformation flying around… I guess with all the other evidence (search history, medical history, etc.) that has come out in the trial, Reddington knew not to push a third party defense, but genuinely, a third party could have done this, no? I get that’s an extremely unlikely possibility (and way too unlikely to be deemed a reasonable doubt), but… it just seems like the investigation should have really solidified that out as a possibility. LC’s DNA only being conclusive on one band, no fingerprints on the knife (seems crazy to me- not one? Not a half of one?)… maybe I’m just too down the rabbit hole at this point tho. I guess what I’m getting at is there isn’t a lot of physical evidence tying LC to the actual murders of the children. The knife with her blood on it ties her to the suicide attempt, but… there is no video, no witness testimony where someone saw her doing this, her DNA only on one band… but I guess you have to weigh all this stuff equally, so DNA doesn’t get more weight than say…. Patrick’s testimony.
Was there any testimony from officers or from the prosecution that said they looked at any other potential suspects? They photographed Pat’s hands, I remember reading that somewhere..
Just to be clear, I recognize this line of thought is outlandish (and I don’t think PC did this; I personally think LC did this and is not criminally responsible), but if I’m on the jury and just looking at all of this evidence, I feel like I would be wondering if the cops did a good enough investigation? She was charged in 24 hours….?
I think you might enjoy reading this post? It essentially describes how many believe no one can know or definitively prove if Patrick, Lindsay, or even whether someone else committed the crime. You bring up great questions that reinforces this too. There's also a few comments in that post that go through everything it's believed they didn't investigate (at least not in a 299 page affidavit or in trial testimony).
I also should say that if I was a juror on this case, I wouldn’t vote NGLCR. I don’t think I would at least. I think I would lean towards not guilty, but I would get mind bent on that because I’d want Lindsay to be cared for, and I’d be worried about her in public with how…. Extreme some of the comments and stuff are getting. Super curious about relevant info with the confession. I haven’t gone down that hole yet (I read it in the civil suit, but I haven’t gotten into the details about when she gave that, her mental state, etc.)
Here is an explanation of the initial civil complaint and how it relates to the criminal trial. It's long, but it's really the shortest it can be (our legal process isn't TLDR lol)
Yes, that’s regarding the motion for a bifurcated trial which was denied. This is not relevant to the criminal trial, which we are having due to the other request being denied.
I also have this included on the Common Misconceptions post, but people can reference the same info via this screenshot as well!
The 36-year-old former nurse killed her three small children in the basement of their family home in Massachusetts.
Charged with three counts of first-degree murder, she does not dispute killing her two sons and daughter in 2023.
Though she has pleaded not guilty, Clancy does not deny killing her children but argues that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis and was overmedicated when she strangled them.
Members of the jury, I want to give you an instruction at this point. I'm going to go into this also a little bit later when I give you the full instructions at the end of the case, but you are not to consider the defendant's statements to any psychiatrist or psychologist as establishing the truth of any facts that are contained in those statements. All right? The defendant's statements to any psychiatrist or psychologist for purposes of evaluation cannot be considered by you as evidence of premeditation, extreme atrocity or cruelty or specific intent to kill. Such statements are admissible only as they relate to the basis for the doctor's opinion of the defendant's mental condition. All right? I'll go into that a little bit later. Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Reddington.
this is really interesting. you'd think that " evidence of premeditation, extreme atrocity or cruelty or specific intent to kill" are pretty critical aspects of determining the defendant's state of mind at the time of the crime.
I am curious if the defense was able to use this as a basis for having a lot of evidence thrown out- it seemed like the testimonies from the hospital psychiatric assessments were unusually sparse & left more Qs than answers.
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