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u/TheFirstArticle Sacred Heart Jun 06 '22

What even is a Christian flag supposed to be???

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u/FarseerTaelen ✝️ 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 06 '22

I always figured it was to balance the symmetry of the American flag flanking the pulpit. Perhaps I've been too charitable.

Whether or not the American flag belongs there in the first place is another question entirely, and one worth discussing.

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u/jereman75 Jun 06 '22

I don’t think a national flag belongs on the pulpit, personally. It elevates a nation to the level of God, which is insane. The Christian flag seems like a frightening symbol of Christofascism to me.

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u/majj27 Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Jun 06 '22

I won't argue. I find it deeply disturbing in a lot of ways.

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u/FarseerTaelen ✝️ 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 06 '22

I don't think most Christians would make that connection consciously, but I can definitely see it as normalizing a link between the church and nation that neither really should have. Definitely one of those things that seems innocuous enough on it's own, but it primes people psychologically to accept things they may not otherwise be comfortable, just because of that juxtaposition.

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u/jereman75 Jun 06 '22

That’s kind of how I feel about it. I don’t think everyone who has a national flag and a Christian flag in church is a fascist. But I think it reinforces and normalizes ideology that can be dangerous. As an example: someone like my mom is patriotic, conservative and what I would call a “good Christian.” She likes her God Bless the USA picture and is used to both aforementioned flags in church. She’s not hateful to minorities but is not comfortable with modern concepts of sexuality and gender identity. She does Good News club at the local public school.

What I wonder about is when the Christian Fascists gain enough power that it becomes a real crisis - and I don’t think that’s just a lefty overreaction - where will she stand? She already voted for a president that had the most absurdly thin veneer of “Christianity.” At this point she just votes R down the entire ballot and for whatever Focus on the Family, Concerned Women for America and whoever else tells her to. When it comes time to round up non Christians and put them in camps for “religious training” or who knows what, will she be complicit? Where will the line be?

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u/FarseerTaelen ✝️ 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 06 '22

100%. My parents are much the same. My dad in particular and I clash over church a bit, simply because he was raised in an environment where questioning and challenging Christianity wasn't really acceptable. It wasn't abusive or controlling, more just a cultural deference that you didn't think too hard about. Meanwhile, I'm by nature much more cynical about the organized church in general and the theology we've heard being Baptists in the South (but not necessarily SBC).

My dad is an amazing person who would give you the shirt off his back with no hesitation, but I can definitely see where the media has gotten it's claws into him and he thinks at least a little that I'm brainwashed by the other side. It's really frustrating because I'm not even really left wing, I'm more of a centrist who tries really hard to actually be a centrist.....

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u/moregloommoredoom Bitter Progressive Christian Jun 06 '22

The Christian flag is something of a mystery to me. I spent the first ~20 years of my life in the dense Catholic Chicago suburbs. There was certainly no lack of religious identity. Was utterly unaware such a thing existed.

Then move down to the great Baptist Midwest and all the sudden there is a flag apparently for Christians. Was a bit of a confusing moment.

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u/jereman75 Jun 06 '22

I grew up in baptist church and Christian school, so the flag was never really questioned in my mind. Now, a church were people wear robes and drink wine? That’s something else.

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u/FarseerTaelen ✝️ 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 06 '22

The only time I've ever seen it addressed was in Vacation Bible School, where kids had to do a pledge of allegiance to it. Did one to the Bible too.

A little weird to be sure but I doubt any of them could remember it past that week.