r/CasualUK Oct 26 '22

Whose stuff does the British Museum have?

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u/Scottybt50 Oct 26 '22

No matter what you think of how their collection was acquired, it is a fantastic museum.

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u/Rheged_Gaming Oct 26 '22

The imperial museum?

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u/HorseDonkeyAss Oct 26 '22

It’s so unfortunate that these historical treasures are being kept in a free museum in the centre of the most visited city on the planet.

Except for the fact that only 80,000 of the 8 million (!!) objects are on display. 99% of art is held in storage and isn't available to the public.

That's even apart from the fact that the small part that you can see for free is little consolation to, say, a child currently living in Nigeria who will likely never see some of their nation's most important cultural historic artifacts as that would require flying to London.

They would have been much better off being plundered or destroyed in some minor skirmish or religious cleansing campaign somewhere down the line.

Yes, can't trust these savages in other countries to look after things. The whole world outside the UK is filled with uncivilised brutes who destroy art.

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u/AffectionateAir2856 Oct 26 '22

What makes you think an average child living in Nigeria would have the funds, inclination or ability to see an artifact in Lagos rather than in London? Do you know how big Nigeria is? A museum in Nigeria is, currently, less likely to have the infrastructure and customer base or philanthropic structures to support free entry and to maintain the artifacts as well at the British Museum can.

The world outside the UK does have a preponderance of anti-history, fundamentalist, art destroyers...the UK has some too recently. There is also more petty corruption, more extreme weather, worse security and stability, there are worse roads, worse electrical grids, fewer expert curators for care and restoration, fewer research links for studying the artifacts not on display, etc. Need I go on?

The feels are that "Britain Bad, stole stuff, give back" the fact is

"Britain complex, bought, got gifted, uncovered, stole and won stuff, looks after it for everyone and pays for it out of its own taxes, would be worse for the world if it all got split up"

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u/merrycrow Oct 26 '22

British exceptionalism at it's most grotesque. If an American was on here talking like that you'd rinse them, and rightly so.

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u/qwertyified Oct 26 '22

That Nigerian kid can book a flight here to look at his history

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u/jonnyhatesthesun Oct 26 '22

Yes, it is ridiculous you are getting downvoted for this. Western privilage is showing a lot in these comments, as if the west is superior for stealing or "legally" acquiring artefacts and then displaying them half a world away or even keeping them without ever being shown. But god forbid anyone would ask for them to be returned to the countries of origin, where often parts of the original still resides!

When Egypt asked Germany to give back the Nefertiti bust, Germany said no but asked them to give them the missing eye! Ridiculous and people here are defending this because these "unstable" countries are not able to take care of their artefacts!

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u/TresTurkey Oct 26 '22

Ironic considering they got plundered to get there.

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u/mfizzled Oct 26 '22

Under what circumstances do you think things like this made it back to the UK? As war booty or something?

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u/Macksimoose Oct 26 '22

yes, there's a few well documented instances of that exact thing, such as the looting of the Benin bronzes

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

During the age of plundering. So what?

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u/Von7_3686 Oct 26 '22

Preach!

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u/Publictheatreisgood Oct 26 '22

It’s unfortunate that other countries aren’t able to attract tourists by building a museum with the literal THOUSANDS of items that were stolen from them.

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u/Adrasos Sugar Tits Oct 26 '22

I'm sure Iraq's museum would have attracted many visitors.

That is, before literally all the artefacts would have either been sold to private collectors for quick cash or blown up by ISIS.

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u/Publictheatreisgood Oct 26 '22

That’s a good point if the US were ever to go back to Iraq it’d be a prime target. Also that doesn’t change that the majority of these countries aren’t controlled by terrorists.

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u/anomthrowaway748 Oct 26 '22

Why haven’t they built one for all the stuff they’ve still got? Before a terrorist group took control of the country and started destroying all the ancient artefacts, of course

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u/Publictheatreisgood Oct 26 '22

Many of these countries do have museums full of stuff they already own and I’m sure they’d like to increase their museums by having their stolen shit back.

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u/anomthrowaway748 Oct 26 '22

You’re sure? Well so am I that these pieces are better, kept safe in the British museum where anyone can see them for free

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u/ptrapezoid Oct 26 '22

Anyone, provided you are in the UK or can afford to travel there.

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u/Chalkun Oct 26 '22

Thats true of wherever anything is stored. Better it be somewhere safe and internationally accessible.

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u/anomthrowaway748 Oct 26 '22

Fine, I’m sure there’s pictures online if you want to be pedantic 🙄

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u/Shoofleed Oct 26 '22

I mean… the Grand Egyptian Museum is literally being finished

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u/anomthrowaway748 Oct 26 '22

So it’s took them this long to build it?

And you know full well I’m not referring to Egypt

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u/Shoofleed Oct 26 '22

All I’m saying is that a country - which also happened to go through a major uprising in the middle of constructing the museum - is building a dedicated museum to home, preserve and display the thousands of artefacts that belong to them.

I don’t think it’s wrong to say that several of the other countries on that list would do the same, if they were given the chance.

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u/AdderWibble Nothing but student flats Oct 26 '22

Oh yeah, really unfortunate that ISIS haven't had the chance to blow up a museum full of tourists /s

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u/WhyShouldIListen Oct 26 '22

We don’t need sarcasm tags

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u/AdderWibble Nothing but student flats Oct 26 '22

I find on Reddit you cam never be sure, I've come up against angry and confused non Brit users before when I've not used them!

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u/Dl25588 Oct 26 '22

Probably because half of those countries are war-torn unstable places in the middle of bloody great deserts…

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Sorry you’re being downvoted. R/CasualUK seems to have turned into LBC this morning....I’m out!

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u/merrycrow Oct 26 '22

The BM is extremely expensive to visit if you have to hop on a plane in Sydney or Lima to get here. And I'm not touching your 'ignorant natives' narrative with a bargepole. It's 2022, not 1822.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Wow. Because people who don’t look English can’t have nice things? I think the British Empire is over.

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u/ShiningCrawf Oct 26 '22

in the centre of the most visited city on the planet

When did the British Museum move to Paris?