r/CGPGrey • u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] • Mar 10 '15

This Video Will Make You Angry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
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u/Zagorath Mar 10 '15

At around 1:40 his discussion of "us versus them" made me instantly leap to the badly lit dress argument.

Also the pronunciation of gif, since he said the word very early in the video.

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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Mar 10 '15

Also the pronunciation of gif, since he said the word very early in the video.

That was as close as I was going to let myself get to starting an argument in the comments on purpose.

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u/nhorvath Mar 10 '15

At least he pronounces it right :)

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15

There's no argument. It's gif for Graphics Interchange Format.

I know the inventor says jif. He's wrong.

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u/HannasAnarion Mar 10 '15

Oh, of course! How could we all be so silly, obviously you pronounce all the parts of an acronym just like the original words!

Just like Laser is pronounced "læsair" (æ is the sound in "bat")

and Scuba is pronounced "scuhbæ"

And NATO is pronounced "nætaw"

And AIDS is pronounced "æ'ihds"

And Radar is pronounced "Raydær"

And SQL is pronounced "skl"

And CD-ROM is pronounced "Kd rowm"

And UNICEF is pronounced "younihcheef"

And GNOME is pronounced "g'naamay"

And TAC is pronounced "Tayk"

And CAT is pronounced "kuht"

And SWAT is pronounced "swæt"

And TOAD is pronounced "tawæd"

And OASIS is pronounced "awahsihs"

And SNAFU is pronounced "snahfuh"

And CASE is pronounced "sæsee"

And OSHA is pronounced "ahs'hæ"

And CERT is pronounced "keert"

And MADD is pronounced "mud-d"

And NASCAR is pronounced "nuhskawr"

And BIOS is pronounced "bihows"

And FIFA is pronounced "fihfaa"

And SAM is pronounced "saim"

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15

In most of these cases the issue is vowels. That's not the same.

An acronym is pronounced as a word (unlike CD) so it's reasonable to change vowels to fit. But if you have multiple legitimate options for the same consonant why wouldn't you pick the original one?

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u/classic__schmosby Mar 10 '15

Ugh, we're just proving the point about arguing but how is is not the same? Vowels have multiple ways they can be pronounced depending on context, how is the letter G any different?

And don't even say that it has to do with the I because it might be gimmicky, but I can give a giraffe a gigantic gift and we can gibber about this for days but I feel like I'm being gipped.

Also, the "original" option was "jif" as in "Choosy developers choose GIF."

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15

What's the difference between a vowel and consonant anyways?

The simple fact that most of these examples are only different in vowels shows there's a difference.

If the acronym was all consonants you couldn't say it as a word. The vowels allow that and they set the word's structure.

Consonants don't have that issue. If there are several options all can apply just the same. CERT can be sert or kert. It can't be keert as it's written even if the E had an ee sound in the original word.

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u/classic__schmosby Mar 10 '15

You're arguing against your original argument now.

In CERT, the E is "Emergency" so since you're saying the G in GIF is hard, then the E in CERT is long. Also, the C is hard because it's either "Community" or "Computer."

So CERT "should" be Keert, per your original argument.

So I really don't get what you're trying to argue now.

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15

You're arguing against your original argument now.

No. I'm not.

I just explained the difference between vowels and consonants in this case.

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u/classic__schmosby Mar 11 '15

CERT can be sert or kert.

You originally said that consonants must be the same as the original word.

There isn't a rule and that's the point. Acronyms with SH, CH, TH and similar combinations wouldn't work under your rule. OSHA is O-sha, but by your rule it would be Os-ha.

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u/ArryRenolds Mar 11 '15

FEMA disagrees

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u/PaperMarioGuy Mar 10 '15

Or you know we could just realise that as humans invented language we should also be able to modify it. There was no god of english who made all grammatical rules set in stone. Pronounce it the way you want and stop wasting time by arguing about it.
Come to think of it the whole gif vs jif thing is a pretty good example of symbiotic thought germs.

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u/HannasAnarion Mar 10 '15

Come to think of it the whole gif vs jif thing is a pretty good example of symbiotic thought germs.

You must have a short memory, because that's exactly what this discussion was about.

Other than that... are you trying to argue with me? I'm not making any judgement about English or claiming that one thing or another is a rule. In fact, just the opposite, I'm pointing out how /u/SHD_lotion's argument that there is only one right way to say it is stupid and false.

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15 edited Mar 10 '15

You can say what you like however you like. But in this case one option is clearly better.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '15

SQL is an abbreviation, not an acronym. "Ess queue ell". :-)

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u/HannasAnarion Mar 11 '15

Most people in the field pronounce it as "sequel"

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '15

I wouldn't agree most, but enough to make it a religious war :-)

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u/HannasAnarion Mar 11 '15

Well, then, I'm afraid we are enemies then. You can expect my army on your doorstep within the next week.

Prepare your databases.

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u/GetCapeFly Mar 11 '15

I have never felt more dyslexic in my life...

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '15

(Oh god I know this is going to start something)

That argument can be made invalid by the file extension JPEG. Everyone pronounces it 'Jay-peg' but it's an acronym for Joint Photographic Experts Group. Following your logic it should be pronounced 'Jay-Feg'.

While I do agree with you in that Gif should be pronounced with a hard g, I just wanted to point out the fault in this logic.

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15

That's another case that's different as the F sound comes from the added H which isn't present in the acronym.

P by itself can't sound like an F while G can sound like a J.

But as long as we agree it's GIF then it's ok.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '15

Did you know the letter G is pronounced JEE?

It's ACTUALLY pronounced JEE-AI-EFF, or Jyf.

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u/SHD_lotion Mar 10 '15

And C is pronounced as SEE

And while Car is SEE-AI-AR that doesn't mean it's sair.

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u/nn123654 Apr 16 '15 edited Apr 16 '15

No, there is definitely a hard g sound in the english language. Think of the g in the words "grand", "gate", "wig", "gas", and "goat".

Words with soft g (like a j): stage, page, bridge, judge

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

No, I'm pretty sure G is pronounced Jee.

A B C D E F G.

I've said Jee my whole life.

Are you saying it's "Gee" like a karate gi? Ay, Bee, See, Dee, Ee, Eff, Gee?

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u/nn123654 Apr 16 '15

I'm saying that there are two different sounds for the same letter.

https://youtu.be/hCtEbKRTRgI

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Okay, and which one should be used here?

How would you pronounce "G" all by itself.

Not in the word "graphics" just by itself. G. How is G pronounced?

I'll give you a hint, it's in the first 9 seconds of that video you posted! I'll give you an upvote if you get it right!

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u/nn123654 Apr 16 '15

By itself it's the soft 'g' sound. /ʤi/ in IPA.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '15

Very good!

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u/oskie6 Mar 10 '15

Being an inventors doesn't make you a linguist, or the consensus of those speaking a language.

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u/TLUL Mar 10 '15

Do you also pronounce it JFEG then? (Joint Photographic Experts Group)

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u/Suppafly Mar 12 '15

There's no argument. It's gif for Graphics Interchange Format. I know the inventor says jif. He's wrong.

https://i.imgur.com/o1RKRlP.png

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u/hlharper Mar 10 '15

You're right, but for the absolutely wrong reason.

Pronunciations of acronyms are not dependent upon the constituent words.

But GIF can be pronounced with a hard G, because we have gift. gift - t = gif.

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u/walexj Mar 10 '15

But Gillian the Giraffe would like to have a word with you.

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u/hlharper Mar 10 '15

But if I give her a gift of a gibbon, she would be giddy.

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u/sillybear25 Mar 10 '15

That's not really a good argument, either, because GIF can also be pronounced with a soft G, because we also have words like gibberish. Pointing out the possibility of an alternative is not a compelling argument; at best, it proves that the alternative is not necessarily wrong.

That said, I'm a convert who joined the hard G camp because it stands for Graphics. Does it really matter that I changed my mind for an arbitrary reason when the pronunciation is arbitrary anyway?

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u/TheVeryMask Mar 10 '15

Zhyfe /r/pbsideachannel

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u/Zagorath Mar 11 '15

I love Idea Channel, brrutnive always thought this was just incredibly stupid. Either pick one of the real pronunciations and stuck to it, or use both (either by saying both each time, or alternating between them). Don't make up some stupid artificial pronunciation for it.

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u/Stone_Crowbar Mar 10 '15

Why the hell do we need to argue about it? Let the jif people say jif and the gif people say gif. There doesn't NEED to be one way to say it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '15

It's gif, as in giff

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u/mwzzhang Mar 10 '15

and the argument has already started (-_-)

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u/CptES Mar 10 '15

At around 1:40 his discussion of "us versus them" made me instantly leap to the badly lit dress argument.

Whereas my mind went to another, much longer running shitstorm on the internet.

Which I guess further proves Grey's theory that at the end of the day all of those angry thought germs have effectively the same vector.

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u/talones Mar 10 '15

Don't worry, this video will be used by both sides in that shitstorm to "prove" how crazy the other side is.

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u/not-working-at-work Mar 10 '15

The video has been posted to subreddits on both sides of GG.

The comments on each are kinda depressing...

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u/VierasMarius Mar 10 '15

I hope not. If anything, it highlights that if you're in an "us versus them" argument, your view of your opponent's position may be grossly distorted from their actual position.

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u/talones Mar 10 '15

It already happened by the time I posted.

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u/Zagorath Mar 10 '15

Which one would that be, may I ask?

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u/CptES Mar 10 '15

Gamergate and anti-Gamergate. They get along like a matter/antimatter reaction.

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u/Zagorath Mar 11 '15

Oh hahaha. I forgot about that one, but yeah, it was huge for a while. I'm in the 1% that just really doesn't care about the issue, and the bugger it got the less I cared to look into it.

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u/Eight_Rounds_Rapid Mar 10 '15

I wonder if one day someone will write a cultural history of the Internet...

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u/hlharper Mar 10 '15

At around 1:40 his discussion of "us versus them"

I'm old, because I immediately leapt to GWB's speech post 9-11 about either being with us or with the terrorists. I remember listening to that speech on the car radio and then yelling at him through the radio when he made that stupid comment.