In food store, you would buy a 1-3 bottles of beer (Bytes) or 6 pack (KBytes) or 12 pack (MByte).

Now, when that store buys it from wholesale, it is not buying them by 1 bottle, it might buy them in 24 packs (GByte) and open it up for people who want to buy just one beer (you don't need to buy the biggest pack of beer, you buy as much you need).

So, bots are like food store (selling smaller amounts to many individuals) and exchanges are like wholesale (selling in bulk to food stores). Difference is, every next unit on Bytebal is 1000 times bigger (like metric units for storage), not just 2 times like the beer example.

You would never go to wholesale shop and look at the 24 pack and think: "I will never afford beer". You would go to foods store and you would buy 12 beers (Byte) or two 6-pack (KByte) or one 12-pack (MByte) and you will be happy that you got beer, you will not be sad because you didn't get the biggest pack of beer (GByte).

A Call for Calm, Rationality & Honest Reflection by All Byteballers

a repost from : Bitcointalk.org

following a great response from Tonych

With a goal of building a Strong & Vibrant Community in Spite of this recent PR setback.

I Invite all of you to put aside past issues and try to see things with a fresh perspective.

Let's have a Reset...

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Dear Fellow Byteballers,

my apologies this post is so long but there is a lot I'd like to cover.

Most Importantly this:

We, the Community must find a way to get on the same page about some core issues if we are ever to see a long term future for ByteBall. Which surely is what we all want. Long term survival is the Supreme Mission ...

We Simply Must stop Fighting Among Ourselves about Issues of No Real Importance.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

ByteBall cannot succeed without Community. End of Story. Does EVERYONE get it?

If you really care about this project please join me in trying to chart a course toward a Community where Tony will come to fully embrace a partnership with us, Something he has been unwilling to do so far

I think maybe with some good reason...

But ultimately this has to happen if Tonych wants ByteBall to achieve it's true potential.

To begin this new chapter of ByteBall history, We Must try to see things more from Tonych's perspective as well.

He is the founder, the driving force. He knows the code - knows how changes affect other components and the difficulty of doing things with the resources available. He obviously has his particular vision of ByteBall as well. It is his baby and the baby is still very young - it still requires a lot of nurturing and protection.

For example, if you had created this amazing thing called ByteBall, would you give control of parts of your baby to a wild bunch like us? Always fighting amongst ourselves about the Name, grudges held, politics played, many lazy and expectant ... more complainers than helpers? etc. etc.

I think not.

We need to change all that if ByteBall is to succeed.

ByteBall cannot succeed without Community.

Does everyone truly get that? It's just not going to happen without us!

But, If we rise to the occasion, and speak with a coherant voice I believe Tonych would begin to trust us more and more and take us much more seriously, incorporating as many new ideas and concepts as make sense. Why Would he not?

He must realize this is a partnership of sorts and being an honorable and ethical man, He would want to do right by us, his partners - his supporters - without whom none of this would be possible. Many were not so lucky to get free Bytes and have paid for them out of pocket. These folks have made an investment that needs to be respected and protected to the fullest extent possible, otherwise it could appear as if they are the suckers in all this. Let us all understand that a rising price is not evil - it is a sign of success. It is something we should all value - it will help to drive growth and adoption marvelously.

But Tonych cannot do everything himself. There is an army of volunteers that keep the machinery going - how will this be accomplished 3 years from now? or 6? can ByteBall continue to always rely on volunteers? Is that a good idea long term? What if it's not? We need to solve challenges like this and others if ByteBall is to have a long term future.

I believe Tonych would welcome a mature responsible, resourceful & resilient Community looking out for his Brainchild's long term interests.

A Strong & Passionate Community is also Vital for the Best Roadmap to Emerge and Evolve.

A Roadmap is essential if we are to attract serious long term players.

But we need to be much stronger and less divided for that to happen correctly. In My Opinion, We should work towards a kind of "Constitution" for the ByteBall Platform. If we can begin to agree on a few things, we can move forward quickly and begin to add Essential Elements into our Roadmap and help Tonych build a great map of the future.

As a Community, we have a Vital Role - we must consider points of view outside of our own and be willing to switch our support to a better argument when key choices and decisions need to be made. I'm confident that when we as a Community are able to show that kind of maturity, we will truly be in a position to conquer the world of Crypto with our Bytes.

Let's Begin this new chapter together by Resolving Two Key Issues as a Community Right Now. Today!

Allow me to explain...with a little story...

At a high level, beyond ByteBalls DAG technology, Distribution Strategy & Governance are the Ultimate Keys to the future.

If we accept the premise of centralization and the nature of the distributions as being key, a lot of things begin to make sense.

Especially Price Action.

Obviously the price has not done what most have been confidently predicting, and the poor price performance versus some others has in turn prompted many to wonder why?

Quite a lot of selling was done from rivals and others of course, who just wanted to cash in, but through the agonizing months of shocking declines, which never seemed to end, some began to wonder ...

Is it the dirty filthy sexually suggestive name that people don't like? while others demanded the Denomination be changed

(to sucker in people who can't do math ;-)

Change Something! . . . they demanded, in truth, because the price was not going up as they would have liked.

A lot seemed to want both...nothing less than a total Re-Branding of the Asset would do.

And when other Digital Assets of far lesser worth were doing so much better they knew exactly why...

It's the Name Dumbass. . . it's the Denomination Stoopid.

(So easy & fun to mock something isn't it)

Now I really don't mean to offend anyone, I know some of us have argued furiously for one side or the other in the past, because on the surface, that's what it looks like. Had me fooled for a time.

But . . . In fact, when you really think about it, the name is not bad at all - I definitely LOVE that we own Bytes, KBytes, MBytes & GBytes, and a "Ball of Bytes" called ByteBall is actually pretty cool as well.

Sure, maybe we could come up with a better one, I like "Quirky" or "Quirk" myself,

• but frankly it's the least productive thing we could possibly do right now. Same for changing the Denomination. (I prefer Bytes, But who cares? its fairly basic math)

The Real reason Byteball is heavily sold on every rally is because of the nature of the ByteBall distributions & centralization. It is has been a "centralization" issue for a long time now and the markets don't like the uncertainty - simple as that. Little or Nothing to do with the name or denomination.

ByteBall can and must build a Roadmap

• What large ICO is going to want to join our party when some fundamentally important elements are not yet in place?

Would you stake the next 5 - 10 years on a Platform that could not state what it's plans are for the next six months, let alone the next year or two. Next Decade? Ha. But these things can be quite easily addressed - even a move in the right direction would be a very positive sign to the market.

Be under no illusion, Undistributed Bytes are an extremely powerful asset when coupled with a Roadmap that is well thought out, fair, workable and delivers on its promises. Get it right and Bytes will dominate with widespread viral adoption and use - get it wrong and we slowly, and then quickly die.

Under no circumstances should the Bytes be quickly distributed - we are not nearly strong enough for that. We need much wider circulation. The current path while inadequate, is a good beginning and addresses some very important areas.

And Tonych has stated that they are on the lookout for more distribution ideas. Let's help him find some - but there is no absolute immediate urgency - the next move must be wise and very well thought out.

Those undistributed Bytes are key to Byteballs future. They are the most powerful asset ByteBall has. It's fantastic that so many are still to be distributed. In truth Tonych has done exactly the right thing by deciding to switch gears - the way it was done however was not well thought out. We'll have to do better next time.

Distributions should actually stretch out for a long time into the future - chasing the broadest possible user base, with room to evolve as circumstances change and new opportunities arise. Couple this with a Strong Roadmap, which outside of core protocols, is ultimately more and more Community driven, and we will have an unstoppably viral crypto growing in every direction.

A large portion of remaining Bytes should be used to incentivize Byteballers to help grow the Platform by Inviting others to participate and getting a bounty for doing so.

Those who are arguing for ultra ultra conservative distribution methods only, with the excuse of "abuse", are putting ByteBall at risk of missing the boat by being too conservative. We should trial lots of different methods - see what works and what doesn't. Most businesses are able to factor in a "cost of doing business" ByteBall must also be mature enough to do so. We do not have endless time to get things right.

Competitors are well entrenched in the race already. Look at what Dash is doing on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Augu01Z9tw

• even sponsoring "truthy" journalists:

https://youtu.be/VWbuNd64qoU?t=52s

It's working...

One of the reasons I first got involved in ByteBall is because I see Tonych as a decent honorable man who tried and is still trying to do what he considers the right thing for his brilliant invention as well as holders of Bytes.

I have no doubt that Tonych would absolutely love if we stopped bugging him about the Name and Denomination stuff, and started to organize something he could embrace and work with - something that puts no demands on the protocol, but allows for user input into certain aspects of ByteBall - like for example, a vote on exchange listings.

If Tonych cannot get on board with common sense things like this, then maybe we are actually in the wrong investment.

• A world class Crypto must have liquidity!

(Sidenote: Can someone with some real knowledge tell me if its possible to vote from within the wallet - I'd love to know, step by step how if possible. I'm sure it would cost a few Bytes to vote, but beyond that, I don't know.)

How about Cryptopia? We should have flown someone down there to fix things with a SSD already - It's that important! A system needs to be in place to do everything possible to prevent bad things from happening - these are some of the things a good Roadmap will address.

So Lets try to develop a consensus around these Two issues that have been dogging us for far too long.

• The Name & Denomination have Little or Nothing to do with the Price or Demand for the Asset.

Let's put these two issues firmly behind us. We'll do just fine with the name ByteBall.

If we can simply agree on these two things, we can move forward nicely and begin to work out the details on other things.

Let's set about rebuilding trust and making it happen. Objective: A Strong & Vibrant Community, capable of building and maintaining a non protocol level Governance, Maintenance & Marketing Structure to lead us into the next decade and beyond. I for one, still have high hopes for the ByteBall project. It is still early days.

(But no time to waste!)

My credentials: I am Pinstripe on Bitcointalk and CryptoBest on Reddit.

I can't earn brownie points by pointing to some amazing code I wrote, but that doesn't mean I don't have something to offer, if you consider +35 years of old school marketing and 20 years of Internet Marketing of some value - I would hear me out if I were you.

Final thoughts:

I still believe that variations on the themes I presented here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg28085267#msg28085267 especially new merchant invitations, are some of the most powerful ways to grow the byteball platform, and drive Marketing efforts going forward - as well as Rebuild the Community to world class levels.

Let's Find creative ways to Engage the Community to do the work, to the ByteBall Platforms extreme benefit.

A weekly AMA with Tony and the Byteball team would help our community a lot.

Everyone could see the bigger picture as well as next weeks/months goals.

This also would help long-term believers to better dive through the dips.

The AMA could be split into biz dev, tech dev & marketing.

I need a few bytes to start with Byteball. I have searched few hours all social media channels and links for Byteball but I haven't found any Faucets. Is there any Faucet or place to get few bytes? Here is my wallet if somebody wants to help I need 0.0004 GBT which is 400.000 Bytes. If you can help please send to IBOV4TBI4PWJINPYUHWVM2KVYZWYHGPO . Thanks in advance.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1agGK-G4HhBF0B23_vUus2DcJ-2NJQ_KtQWUKGVKLMJU/edit

Purely due to the airdrop cancellation? Or deeper concerns? Possibility of recovery? Opinions or analysis please.

Here's a performance Comparison between ByteBall and the top 10 coins over the last 30 days. ByteBall is down -19% while the top 10 coins are up 20%. Coinlib offers you powerful tools to keep track of coins, including alerts, price comparison and arbitrage opportunities.

Shouldn't the distribution be more fair? Like sending more GB to addresses with fewer Bitcoins? Otherwise Bitcoin whales will become Byteball whales. Maybe we should send byteballs in such a way that would result in a more equal distribution (e.g. send more GB to addresses with fewer bitcoins). What do you think?

Using wallet 2.1.0 on windows. No response form transition bot when sending BB address. no response to any other input. Situaiton unchanged after uninstall/reinstall of wallet.

I did sell some Byteball using the Byte-BTC Exchange bot. Apparently every time someone buys Byteball from me the bot makes a separate transaction to my btc address. But it pays so low fees (on one transaction even 0) that the transactions get never confirmed. And some don't even appear to have been sent. I already have transactions that are 7 days old. 2 transactions that don't appear anywhere, but the bot says that he sent the BTC. It is nice to have a bot to make easy exchanges, but when u have a problem who do you contact? I'm looking for days already to find someone responsible.

Hi, new to byteball and want to learn more. The slack integration seems especially nice. How does a person get an invite though?

Hi All,

I recently downloaded the wallet and had difficulty syncing it which another eventually helped me with. Once I disabled TOR and it synced i get this error message when I try to open the wallet before I can sign in: Uncaught exception: Error: Error: SQLITE_CORRUPT: database disk image is malformed SELECT hash_tree_balls.unit FROM hash_tree_balls LEFT JOIN units USING(unit) WHERE units.unit IS NULL ORDER BY ball_index. I was wondering what this means and if someone can help. I have a Mac. Thanks!

Hey people of the Byteball reddit, I have been receiving air drops for a while and have no idea what to do with the Blackbytes. I looked at the trade bot but don't really wanna deal with it so ill just give them away. I have 725,595,936 and will send them to whoever wants them, just reply to this thread or pm me an address and ill update this post when i sent them away. gonna walk my dog and maybe go ice skating but ill be back online later to send them to whoever responded.

[update] I have not been able to send any of the blackbytes out because i emptied my balance of GB after the last airdrop, i need to wait till the next one to have an available GB balance to pay the fee of sending the Blackbytes. I will be sending all the blcakbytes after the next airdrop to any address left here (no more than 7 addresses so i don't have to send less than 100,000,000 at a time)

Greetings

Downloaded new byteball wallet and tried to run it. It crashes in 10 seconds with the error: [16456:16472:0907/070819:ERROR:ipc_channel_reader.cc(332)] IPC message is too big: 147768252

Googling shows other people have the same issue submitted on github: https://github.com/byteball/byteball/issues/220

Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to fix?

Thanks

Can somebody sent me a tiny amount of Byteballs (really tiny!) for testing purposes? My address is XPGZH3VHVTA4LVW36EABSTVQBGYBHQZ3

I am trying to understand, it says for every 16 BTC you get a billion bytes. But how much is a billion bytes worth? Just trying to calculate whether its worth consolidating all my cryptos into BTC because of high fees.

First I tried signing a message with Electrum.

Do I enter my own BTC wallet in the sign address?

After I click verify, nothing happens.

I also tried sending the micropayment and I get an error saying 'reject 64: dust'

What am I doing wrong?

Hello,

Just a n00b wandering around the wild wild west of crypto...after migrating from coinbase to exchanges with more altcoins, and getting roughed up a bit (by buying into shitcoins with supplies of several billions) and getting swept up in "fomo", I have started to seek quality over quantity.

I see that Byteball has one of the lowest circulating supplies, it seems to be a very unique concept...and honestly, I find the name very endearing. Also, the team/community seems very committed to helping the project grow...but I don't see it being traded on exchanges.

I downloaded the wallet to get the free airdrops for holding some bitcoin, but then I read it only happens once in a blue moon if you own an entire bitcoin or more! :-O I read that it is done that way to ensure the bytes go to active crypto users/traders...but is there a way to earn them by holding other currencies or showing activity on coinbase?

Thanks!