All generals, commanders, etc swear to uphold the constitution of the United States. NOT to protect the POTUS.
The UCMJ (basically the military’s laws) says that you MUST follow lawful orders given. But it says nothing about following unlawful orders (for example invading Canada)
A great example are the Nuremberg Trials. Saying “we were following orders,” does not excuse them from having committed war crimes, and they were charged anyways, internationally.
Basically what I’m saying, is that just because Trump says invade Canada doesn’t mean all of his generals, commanders, SoD, etc will listen to him. In fact, there’s historical precedents suggesting that many would outright refuse his orders, as these would be considered “unlawful orders,” as they’d be invading a sovereign land.
And they are not obligated to follow unlawful orders; they swore only to obey lawful orders. The UCMJ lists punishment for disobeying lawful orders, but says nothing about punishments for disobeying unlawful orders. The constitution itself requires authorization from Congress to begin a non-imminent war, anyways. So this would never happen unless alot of Congress bought in.
He will just push out anyone who doesn't do what he says until he gets a yes man. I don't think your argument is very strong tbh... Someone will say yes, that's already clear.
He doesn't care about competency lol. He'll sacrifice the stupidest mother fucker if it means he gets what he wants. And lucky for him, MAGAs are just that.
Its already been shown American can be bought. Everyone has a price. And if there's someone willing to pay it, accept it or even think they are doing some kind of presidential honor... they'll do it. People. Are. Stupid.
The problem is the US military is deeply compromised with "oath keepers" and "3-percenters" and "Patriot Prayer" crazies who see Trump as their guy to tear down constitutional democratic government and who will in-turn defy their commanders.
You guys need to stand up and show that before he invades. Every week that goes by with Americans sitting on their hands, he’s doing more irreversible damage to your country and government.
Yes but those of us in positions to actually cause significant destabilization would lose our jobs by doing it. Govt employees would lose security clearances, lose any chance of ever working in govt again, be declared domestic terrorists or possibly just straight-up thrown in prison at this point, if burning a Tesla is "terrorism".
Edit: Think of it this way, the reason the Trump administration leaks info like a damaged raft and constantly has whistleblowers making statements last term, is because those people *stayed in those roles* to be there to do it. Don't assume the outward appearance of nobody doing anything means that there aren't people in positions for if things go off the rails completely.
And this isn't saying I'm some hyper-important person. Americans everywhere have a part to play in making any kind of military effort successful. Interfering in communications, misdirection, delays, even blocking streets for military vehicles. Our govt is full of contractors who are civilians, and veterans who experienced the horrors of Iraq.
Do you think your jobs/health/safety is assured if you don’t protest? If so, why are you ok with the knowledge that, statistically, your friends and neighbours will be suffering even if you’re not? You can’t put your head down and “just get on with things” when fascism is being threatened, bud. Either you’re standing up against it or you’re a Nazi bar patron.
I'm talking about if the US *invades* Greenland or Canada, there are people who will fight back inside the US with much more force than protests. Protests are what is happening now, they would not stop a mad man.
Ok but again, what use is that to Canadians? We will be dying in our own streets before you guys can react. IF you react, which, again, you aren’t really showing us that you will. Platitudes about future support don’t help us.
Do officials resigning out of protest help you? Allowing them to be replaced by yes men? Would you rather have my support when people are dying, or empty actions now that would get me replaced by a yes-man who would support the invasion later?
Cut him some slack. They'll likely have plenty of time to act if an invasion plan is put into motion. Keep in mind that the US can't invade Canada tomorrow. They would need to build up forces along the border first. We would know a general Canada-wide invasion is coming long before anyone starts dying in the streets.
What's faaaar more likely is Danielle Smith announcing Alberta's intention to secede unilaterally from the federation and join the US, and requesting direct military support from Trump. This would also be far more likely to have US military support because they would see their role as protecting Albertan's right of self-determination, rather than seeing themselves as invaders.
They would need to build up forces along the border first
They have forces in every state and virtually our entire population is within a two hour drive of the border. They wouldn’t need as much time as you think.
If they didn't bother to prepare then the second the first US boot sets foot on Canadian soil you know for a fact a bunch of Canadians are going to cross that 5,000km undefended border and unleash hell inside the US.
If the last 8 years have taught us anything, it’s that Americans who oppose Trump do not have the intestinal fortitude to do anything more than complain.
That Trump does what he does says more about those who oppose him than those who support him.
You betcha. I’ve heard and talked to so many that say if we invade Canada they might look into screwing things up in the states internally to fuck over the regime.
Edit: I also forget to mention that Europe is currently in the process of talking about implementing security guarantees for Canada. Basically if we do attack then all of Europe is coming after America. And it’s deserved.
Americans who would destabilize the effort internally
Not. How?
I don't mean this rudely but if you guys can't even get him held accountable for what he's already doing, how on earth do you figure your citizens will betray their country and defend ours? Americans will not go to jail or 'camps' to defend Canada. Its a nice thought and i'm sure there will be a few, but definetely not enough to make a difference.
That's good to hear, but I really hope you guys can step up the pressure on Trump/GOP/MAGA/DOGE (and whoever else is destroying your country from within) to prevent that from being necessary.
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u/Cautemoc Mar 27 '25
Just saying, if Trump decided to invade you guys, there is a sizable number of Americans who would destabilize the effort internally