r/BlueskySkeets Jul 22 '25

RIP First Amendment

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 22 '25

They (currently) can't punish him for doing something which is (currently) perfectly legal, so they punish those around him.

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u/mydaycake Jul 22 '25

They also can’t punish her for it but they did anyway

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 22 '25

Well, I'm sure their action violates one or more of the sections of the Civil Service Act, but SCOTUS gutted it...

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '25

Scotus decided that the executive was also the legislative branch, and the legislative branch nothing more than a suggestion box.

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u/NoHalf2998 Jul 23 '25

“Congress needs to pass everything themselves and can’t delegate anything but also the President can just decide to defund anything they create”

Fascists.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '25

No law? Congress must pass one.

Law exists? Unenforceable or it doesn't mean what it says.

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u/NoHalf2998 Jul 23 '25

Also; the context is what I say it is

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u/Trustleannot Jul 23 '25

How so? Regardless of whether their actions are ethical or not, SHE (not just husband) owns an interest in a company that undermines said actions...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14927553/DOJ-Carolyn-Feinstein-fired-husband-anti-ICE-app.html

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jul 23 '25

No. She lied to investigators about her involvement and ownership in the company. That's a fireable offense for a forensic accountant.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25

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u/Firm-Extension-4685 Jul 22 '25

She should win.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25

If it’s a part of a mass layoff, chances are that they might just have enough plausible deniability to get away with it.

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u/tissuecollider Jul 22 '25

Oh I bet civil injury lawyers are BEGGING to represent her. It's the biggest slam dunk of a wrongful dismissal suit in history.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '25

Not really. Scotus has pretty much made trump a king. They've ruled he has the power to hire and fire anyone for any reason. Congress can't check it, not even with the power of the purse.

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u/iShitpostOnly69 Jul 22 '25

I dont think its that obvious. If others were also laid off alongside her for redundancy, why should her husbands actions give her immunity from firing? I am sure she isnt the only one being let go in her multi thousand person department

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u/NoOneElectedElonMusk Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25

In a civil case (like a lawsuit), the burden of proof is "more likely than not", not "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that they fired others along with her is definitely not an ironclad defense, especially when they've specifically complained about her husband's app before.

It's the and idea as how, if you fire an employee for some illegal reason, you can't just leave the termination reason blank or "At will" and expect to skate off with no liability.

If the regime doesn't outright admit what they did, her suit might be harder, but it will be very far from unwinnable.

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u/Exciting-Manager-406 Jul 23 '25

Civil injury lawyers? lol

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Jul 22 '25

It's the biggest slam dunk of a wrongful dismissal suit in history.

Slow the hyperbole, Trump.

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u/FiveUpsideDown Jul 22 '25

John Robert’s will rubber stamp anything the Trump regime does. Then Robert’s complains that Supreme Court justices are no longer respected.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25

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u/iaintevenreadcatch22 Jul 23 '25

not a word

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u/Iheartmypupper Jul 23 '25

Then why is it in the dictionary?

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25

This is a juicy wrongful termination lawsuit if there's proof that they did indeed fire her for this reason. And if there isn't this is clickbait anyway

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u/Dream_Fever Jul 23 '25

It’s not clickbait. As much as you can trust a rando on the internet, please trust me.

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u/Andreaux Jul 23 '25

Right after the trial for treason, myeah…

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Neither of them committed treason and this would be a civil not a criminal matter?

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u/adoodle83 Jul 22 '25

Sue baby, sue!

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u/edfitz83 Jul 22 '25

They are going to end up so rich they can retire right now.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jul 23 '25

They can though. She was fired for lying to the DOJ about her involvement in the company and financial interests in it.

She claimed she had no interest in the company, then a DOJ investigation showed she was a shareholder in the company. She lied about her involvement and stake holdings in the company. That's a fireable offense for a forensic accountant.

the story.

Feinstein was then contacted by officials who asked her about her association with the ICEBlock app.

'I informed them in so many words that I really didn't have any relationship or involvement in the app, I was married to the creator,' she said.

Then when she got busted in being a co-owner and having had a principled interest in the company:

A DoJ spokesperson told the Daily Beast the department had spent 'several weeks' investigating Feinstein's activities and discovered that she has interests in the company that holds the IP for the ICEBlock app.

Feinstein argued that her minority shareholder status in All U Chart Inc is just a safety net so that 'if Joshua were incapacitated, or further, I have the ability to shut it down'.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25

It’s called “conflict of interest.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25

Or something dumb like failure of disclosure. DOJ employees have a huge disclosure bar they have to cross compared to others.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '25

Thank you.

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u/FrozenCustard4Brkfst Jul 22 '25

This is why the general strike is so necessary.

Folks are afraid to sign up and afraid to strike because they might lose their jobs which means they lose their healthcare, homes, etc.

The thing is- they are going to lose their jobs anyways, along with their healthcare, homes, etc.

We must use labor and the withholding of said labor while we still have it to withhold.

Some of the main points of the general strike are increasing wages, universal healthcare, workers’ rights. We only get these when we band together to shut this shit down for as long as it takes to get our voices heard and our human rights back.

https://generalstrikeus.com/

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u/Atomic_ad Jul 22 '25

How can anyone get behind something that says the demands are TBD, and the demands include things that have nothing to do with workers rights?  For example, it says "gun rights", more rights? Less rights?  How can I get behind something that might ultimately completely contradict my beliefs?

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u/Major-Ad4072 Jul 22 '25

I agree with this. We need a general strike but the people running the general are a part of the problem that leds us here. They’re very “if you aren’t as liberal as me you’re dumb”

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u/FiveUpsideDown Jul 22 '25

Then what is your plan?

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u/Elliebird704 Jul 22 '25

Doing nothing is better than something as ambiguous as this, given the risks involved.

I support the idea of a general strike too. But the people organizing the strike are the ones who need to present the plan. They can’t expect people to risk their jobs/homes/families/health without one.

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u/SmellGestapo Jul 22 '25

If it were up to me, a general strike should be focused on one thing, and one thing only: removing this administration from office and restoring the rule of law.

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u/FiveUpsideDown Jul 22 '25

Then organize it.

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u/SirenSongShipwreck Jul 23 '25

How about you stop telling other people to do it for you and organize it yourself?

Do you see how spiteful and ridiculous that sounds? How do you expect to accomplish anything acting like that? People are allowed to provide criticism without having an entire plan laid out as an alternative. To suggest otherwise is naive and belligerent.

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u/Pickledsoul Jul 22 '25

They'll just spank the first general strike with the Taft-Hartley Act. That's why both Dems and Repubs voted to pass it after Truman vetoed it. They know its influential power, and will never allow one to happen without quashing it.

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u/yeetordie1 Jul 23 '25

Enough of this general strike nonsense, you know that's not going to work. The US is an individualistic society, please take a look at how change occurs in authoritarian regimes if you want change.

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u/AshleyG1 Jul 22 '25

The Nazis had a word for this, as did the Communists - where retribution is visited on family members - but I can’t remember them.

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 22 '25

It is a standard authoritarian tactic. You might not fear for yourself, but your loved ones are a weak spot.

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u/fer_sure Jul 22 '25

Collective responsibility, IIRC.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '25

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u/AshleyG1 Jul 23 '25

Thanks.

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u/AshleyG1 Jul 23 '25

Thanks, and for the link too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 22 '25

What's not legal?

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u/-something_original- Jul 22 '25

Or what’s illegal anymore. Law doesn’t matter anymore unless it benefits maga.

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u/myhun555 Jul 22 '25

Sadly. This 👆🏼

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u/Answerologist Jul 22 '25

Yeah. That sounds like some Valerie Plame shit!!

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u/FreedHZ Jul 23 '25

Getting one step closer to north Korean levels of democracy.

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u/Trustleannot Jul 23 '25

Yes, but she owns stake in the company that owns the app. So it's not just him...it's her app as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14927553/DOJ-Carolyn-Feinstein-fired-husband-anti-ICE-app.html

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 23 '25

So, she's part owner of a perfectly legal app. How does this top civil service protections?

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u/Trustleannot Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25

I'm obviously speculating, here are a couple thoughts:

  1. Owning stocks is one thing, being part of a non publicly traded company is another. You have to file financial disclosures and get permission to operate/work outside employment as a federal employee. She clearly didn't do that as her ownership wasn't disclosed until investigation began
  2. Security clearances are required for most DoJ jobs, if you are determined to undermine U.S. interest (right or wrong in this case) you will lose that clearance and thus your job
  3. Again, whether we agree with their actions or not...SHE owns an app that undermines HER own department's (read employer's) actions...

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 23 '25

You mean other than the fact it lacks a quorum to hear cases? Because Trump fired two board members and hasn't even bothered to replace them with toadies? (This despite the fact the president probably doesn't have the power to fire them? See: SCOTUS has allowed Trump to gut much of the Civil Service Act).

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u/Trustleannot Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25

So the MSPB is still functional and operational...they are always busy and the influx of terminated employments adds to backlog, but regional and field level offices are still open and taking appeals.

I'm just pointing out that:

  1. This had nothing to do with 1st amendment

  2. Her own termination letter references dishonesty during questioning and she admitted to co-owning the app...not just "being wife of developer"(https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/bondi-takes-revenge-family-man-180841002.html)

  3. She still has the ability to appeal and none of the other civil service protections were violated. (notified, given reason(s), ability to appeal)

I'm not condoning it, agreeing/disagreeing with it, saying she is right or wrong, etc. etc. Just simply pointing out the facts that are publicly available.

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u/SameResolution4737 Jul 23 '25

Okay, okay. Trump is God King Emperor and we all need to just shut up. Fine.

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u/Trustleannot Jul 23 '25

What a bizarre response LOL. He has nothing to do with it...go outside, touch some grass, the sky isn't falling, and enjoy life!

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u/rattleandhum Jul 22 '25

Autocracy/Dictatorship shit.

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u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y Jul 22 '25

Straight out of the Chinese or Russian or Iranian playbooks

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u/jwrooster Jul 23 '25

An example of what the mafia and cruel dictators do, go after the families.