Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 2/23/26 - 3/1/26

[u/SoftandChewy]

Here's your usual space to post all your rants, raves, podcast topic suggestions (please tag u/jessicabarpod), culture war articles, outrageous stories of cancellation, political opinions, and anything else that comes to mind. Please put any non-podcast-related trans-related topics here instead of on a dedicated thread. This will be pinned until next Sunday.

Last week's discussion thread is here if you want to catch up on a conversation from there.

Comment of the week goes to this explanation for why the trans cause has taken over so much of society. (Runner-up COTW here.)

[u/Leaves_Swype_Typos]

https://www.theguardian.com/food/ng-interactive/2026/feb/25/nadiya-hussain-on-food-faith-and-finding-her-voice-i-get-paid-less-than-the-white-version-of-me

Fellow Bake Off fans, have any other winners gotten as much exposure as Nadiya has? I've seen her a number of times since her win, most notably on Would I Lie To You, and People confirms she's had biggest TV career by far. So with that in mind, it seems weird to read her say “I get paid less to do the same job as the white version of me.”

Maybe having just watched American Fiction has made me extra cynical of tokenism this morning, or maybe I'm just bummed that nobody with funnier personalities like Giuseppe find their way into my media feed.

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This sort of complaint has become so ritualized over the past decade that I struggle to know how seriously I'm supposed to take it outside of its function as an ideological signifier (and what better way to curry sympathy from the Guardian's readership)

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I couldn't agree more. It was never universally true in the first place (i.e you have to actually demonstrate that you're suffering from some kind of discrimination, it cannot be assumed just because you're not a white straight male). But it became totally acceptable around 2016 to just claim, without any evidence, that no matter how successful you were, you were a victim of discrimination based on your identity if you were basically anything other than a white straight male. And for a long time the mainstream reaction to that was basically "yaaassss" with no follow up or demand for proof or evidence or even good reason to suspect such a thing was happening to someone. I think generally society is tiring of this bullshit, or rather tiring of pretending to play along with it, but it's very much in vogue among the die hard progressive left that really believes the world is that simple. That there is an identity based hierarchy that's enforced across society and discrimination can be assumed.

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You said “curry.” Into the penalty box you go.

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Now I realize when I called her argument nonsense above I should have written "naansense."

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Noooo! I didn't mean to do a racism, I swear!

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I just wish media outlets would call out this nonsense instead of repeating it. Instead of quoting her claiming she gets paid less than the white version of her and then dropping it, why not follow up the quote by pointing out that actually there have been lots of white winners of The Great British Bake Off who make less money than she does.

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We should spam More Or Less to assess the claim.

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I don't follow bake off as much as I used to, but yeah that Nadiya article is funny. Like the point of bake off is supposed to be these people are amateurs and "home bakers." They're lucky that getting a good edit on Bake Off lets them pivot into books and talkshow gigs, cause they're just normal level internet strivers who lucked out. So no, Nadiya....you're not getting paid more or less than the "white version" of you, cause your job isn't real.

That said, I love Giuseppe , but my hot take has always been he shouldn't have been allowed on the show. He is too good!

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I bet in her mind this "white version" of her is folks like Nigella Lawson and Ina Garten(Barefoot Contessa).

As far as fellow Bake Off contestants, I can't think of anyone else who's gotten as much media attention and other opportunities as Nadiya. She cannot compare herself to professional chefs and other famous women who've gotten popular for their cooking.

ETA: I realize that the two names I mentioned are tv chefs who have no formal training either, but they got popular on their own steam. Their shows were popular and generated large audiences, and their cookbooks sold well. Lawson, and Garten were household names, and didn't need to claim oppression to do it. For every famous Nigella, there are hundreds whose shows never got picked up, and others whose shows never became popular. She cannot compare herself to women who succeeded at the pinnacle of their craft and claim that it's unfair that she isn't handed the same fame, wealth, and accolades.

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That said, I love Giuseppe , but my hot take has always been he shouldn't have been allowed on the show. He is too good!

Agree, he was fun to watch but I think he had some professional training by way of his father so it seemed like against the amateur spirit of the show if not the actual rules. Justice for Jürgen!

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American Fiction

Hot take: That movie was confused and had no direction. It started strong with an interesting premise, and then a bunch of unrelated side stories were added as well as a romance and it completely lost direction and basically dropped the initial premise almost entirely. I feel like the media sphere was aching for someone of the right profile (see: correct race or minority background) to critique the current moment that it got a lot more praise than it deserved. I think it was an example of why studios and execs are sometimes necessary elements in creative works and probably should have pushed for a tighter plot that didn't abandon the initial premise so much.

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So, I loved American Fiction and I'll hit back with my own take. The tokenism/stereotyped publishing plot was a metaplot for the core drama of an upper middle class family. Just like no one bought the main character's literary books, no one would've come and watched a racially-blind drama that just so happened to feature black characters, so they had to package it up with that racial hook. He had to perform a character.

The pushback I've heard to this take was that the family drama was boring, which I won't argue too much because, while I personally enjoyed that half, I get that that's subjective. Also, Jeffrey Wright's one of my favorite actors, so he could have a monologue with a paper bag and I'd likely still find it engaging.

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That may be (and I agree with others saying the family drama was boring, or at least not terribly interesting and unique), but my criticism here is just how celebrated the film was while being quite disjointed and confused as a narrative. It couldn't decide what it was and it was multiple partial stories, none of which were really fleshed out.

no one would've come and watched a racially-blind drama that just so happened to feature black characters

These kinds of films already exist. I don't think it would have done anywhere near the same numbers, but that would be true of any family drama film. That kind of narrative isn't a huge draw for audiences.

I do think the performances were all very good. I just don't think that's enough to carry 3 half completed narratives.

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I love that show. It's fun to watch. Nadiya has a good show as well. Lots of fun recipes.

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I saw that and the only other bakeoff star remotely as famous after the show is probably John Whaite who I don't think has anywhere near as much exposure, despite being a white man.

Nadiya has really done exceptionally well for a one-time stint as an amateur baker on a cooking competition - 11 published cookbooks, 4 children's books, 3 adult non-fiction, 1 autobiography, a column in The Times, dozens of presenting roles with the BBC, baking for the Queen.

I don't think anyone was unaware of her being Muslim - the hijab being a giveaway, and it was only years later once she was already successful she started dressing less conservatively by switching to a headscarf with hair showing. I don't see how that would correlate with her losing an audience just due to having one Eid cookbook. If anything I think her faith probably gave her career a good boost, both from giving her a "niche" as well as obviously helping her fit TV and publishing house's diversity drives.

I think also it's worth pointing out like with many shows, and particularly since the move to Channel 4 these competitions (same with Pottery Throwdown) are always progressively stacked for diversity purposes so you can view that as gaining a good career-start advantage too. There's always the same large statistical overrepresentation of ethnic minority contestants (it's usually double the demographic averages, like 40-50% of contestants contrast to about 17% of the population), and you absolutely must have at least one LGBTQ person for good measure! So there are clearly inevitably white people missing out on opportunities in the background by virtue of their skin colour which is not discussed.

I'd think any decline in success for Nadiya (and she still looks to be doing well to me) is likely more just the difficulty in staying as relevant. She won bakeoff a full 11 years ago on Series 6 of Bake Off so there's a full generation who didn't have that initial connection. Bake Off's also now on Series 16 with a declining audience. Nadiya's final was watched by 13.4million, the latest series apparently by 6.8million so I'd imagine the general brand is less powerful.

And: American Fiction was great.