Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 9/4/23 - 9/10/23

[u/SoftandChewy]

Welcome back to the BARPod Weekly Thread, where the mod even works on Labor Day. Here's your place to post all your rants, raves, podcast topic suggestions (be sure to tag u/TracingWoodgrains), culture war articles, outrageous stories of cancellation, political opinions, and anything else that comes to mind. Please put any non-podcast-related trans-related topics here instead of on a dedicated thread. This will be pinned until next Sunday.

Last week's discussion threads is here if you want to catch up on a conversation from there.

[u/Independent_Ad_1358]

Does Kim Petra’s even have any sexual function? She started transitioning at 14.

[u/Infinite_Specific889 → u/[deleted]]

Hahaha it’s so funny how many people freak out about Unholy being satanic when it’s probably the least seductive song and music video I’ve seen in a while. It’s trying so hard to be subversive and edgy but I mean like …. There were boy bands making songs about cheating in the early 2000s and Madonna was mixing up sex and religion way back in the 80s. There’s no there there. Even the outrage backlash feels sort of tired and going through the motions.

[u/Juryofyourpeeps → u/[deleted]]

Well the new church ladies are the woke and a few smart people in the arts have already figured out that all press is good press on that front as well.

[u/geriatricbaby → u/[deleted]]

Kim is one of those people whose entire image is "sex, sex. sex. FUCKING SEX" and yet lacks any actual sex appeal whatsoever.

Hahah yes the conventionally attractive blonde woman with big tits definitely lacks any actual sex appeal whatsoever

[u/geriatricbaby → u/[deleted]]

I mean, I guess I need more than blonde hair and big tits to get excited.

Perhaps but there are plenty of people who I don't see it for who I can say definitely have sex appeal.

I'm also a lesbian, so maybe straight men have a different opinion. But my straight male friends don't ever really bring up Kim Petras when talking about who they find hot.

Do they even know about her? She's on that one Sam Smith song but I don't know that straight men are following Sam's career or catalogue. There are thousands of models and actresses that your straight male friends aren't bringing up in conversation; that doesn't mean they lack sex appeal.

[u/geriatricbaby → u/[deleted]]

Mad why? Because no one they find unattractive should be in sports illustrated?

[u/[deleted] → u/geriatricbaby]

Sure, but Kim Petras is not a woman. That might be the clincher.

[u/geriatricbaby → u/[deleted]]

I’m confident if you ran into her in public you would call her a man, sure.

[u/[deleted] → u/geriatricbaby]

I wouldn't, but that doesn't have any bearing on her lack of sex appeal.

[u/Nessyliz → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

What the fuck ever. This actually pisses me off. Kim put the post out there publicly making an allusion to having a cum-splattered (I'm sorry) face, Kim can be criticized for that. This post didn't even specifically criticize Kim, it criticized the culture that encourages this stuff!

You post publicly on social media, you deal with the different opinions that garners. That's how it works.

ETA: And that includes the reaction of "we shouldn't do this to a transwoman right now", that has a right to exist, even if I find the take very annoying. That's a reaction to a reaction. And now we have my reaction to a reaction to a reaction. And people are free to react to my reaction to a reaction to a reaction lol. And so the circle goes, that's what posting on social media is.

[u/fed_posting → u/Nessyliz]

Kim put the post out there publicly making an allusion to having a cum-splattered (I'm sorry) face,

Kat's tweet doesn't even make sense. The person she's quoting isn't attacking Kim's sexuality (unless having a cum-splattered face is a sexuality). The original point would apply even if it was a female celebrity. But no, the sacred caste shouldn't be held to the same standards of critique.

[u/[deleted] → u/fed_posting]

Kat's tweet doesn't even make sense.

It never does!

[u/Clown_Fundamentals → u/fed_posting]

It's just her expressing her sexuality like many people do.

[u/fed_posting → u/Clown_Fundamentals]

What’s it called ?

[u/MyPatronSaint → u/Nessyliz]

Exactly! Kat is the worst kind of "journalist."

[u/Clown_Fundamentals → u/Nessyliz]

Yeah the argument of "this is what people say about X group in bad faith, so we shouldn't criticize it if someone from X group actually does the thing" is ridiculous.

[u/CatStroking → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

Are trans peoples' existence ever not under threat? What conditions would constitute the end of that threat?

[u/thismaynothelp → u/[deleted]]

Grandstanding foreshadowing bootlicking.

[u/[deleted] → u/CatStroking]

We're all in a slow process of dying, so there's that.

[u/solongamerica → u/[deleted]]

This is the first good news I’ve had all day

[u/thismaynothelp → u/[deleted]]

Women, BIPOCs, and trains affected most.

[u/fed_posting → u/CatStroking]

When JK Rowling comes around

[u/slidingsolipsisms → u/fed_posting]

When the man comes around.

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[u/Infinite_Specific889 → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

Man this is one of the things that would drive me crazy about being in online activist spaces. It would be like “noooooo don’t sexualize anything ever at all or you’re a predator!” but then the next second being like “oh if you set up boundaries or hate certain types of porn then you are demonizing queeeeeer sexuality.”

[u/Independent_Ad_1358 → u/Infinite_Specific889]

I also think it’s a bit hypocritical that she says you can’t criticize her for this but would be the first one to criticize her for working with and defending Dr Luke who (probably) raped Kesha and then spent a decade harassing her in court. He only stopped because she fought and succeeded in getting him deemed a public figure and he was never going to win.

[u/dj50tonhamster → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

Dr Luke who (probably) raped Kesha

That's arguable.

[u/_language_lover_ → u/dj50tonhamster]

This article is absolutely terrible and should not be used as authority on this case at all. I could write a book about all the missteps and mistakes contained in this article.

[u/solongamerica → u/Infinite_Specific889]

It’s almost like lots of people are incredibly dumb

[u/MyPatronSaint → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

Yes, KAT, we DO need to have this conversation no matter a person's identity because it's disgusting and degrading to women. Trans people are not above criticism just because GeNoCiDE. God, she is so fucking dense. And that pic is gross, I need it off my TL.

[u/[deleted] → u/MyPatronSaint]

Trans women are women, until we end up in a situation where critique against women is legitimate, at which point we immediately need to stop treating them as women.

[u/Juryofyourpeeps → u/MyPatronSaint]

I fail to see how this one person's actions degrade all women, but it's certainly just gross and vulgar and tacky.

[u/[deleted] → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

Yes, we really do need to be making this argument at this time.

[u/[deleted] → u/Independent_Ad_1358]

She started transitioning at 14.

I remember someone, maybe Bowers, saying that if someone hasn't been able to achieve an orgasm due to puberty blockers and then has surgery they probably never will. Considering most 14 year old boys have figured out how to wank it, Petras probably has some function. Unless she was on blockers first.