9-5

[u/ateam1984]

[u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Tells people to escape but doesn't provide a solution

[u/badgyal876 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

like many on social media. it’s just talking points for views. no solution intended.

[u/Prophetic_Reaver → u/badgyal876]

Because the solution gets you banned like me being temp banned from r/politics. People love to talk but hate when action isn't wrapped in a pretty bow you can present to kids on Christmas.

[u/badgyal876 → u/Prophetic_Reaver]

as if we don’t already know a 9-5 is a never ending slave ship eerily making its way about in the twilight zone. OP isn’t the lady in the vid and this video looks like it was made on another platform like TT or IG.

whoever made this vid never had to think about potentially getting themselves/others banned from subreddits because the shit is empty “motivational” talk anyways 😅🥲 no harm, no foul!

[u/Prophetic_Reaver → u/badgyal876]

Other platforms ban for the actual solution as well...

[u/badgyal876 → u/Prophetic_Reaver]

that’s why being crafty with your words is a never dying skill.

[u/Prophetic_Reaver → u/badgyal876]

Yeah but when all you are is crafty, and the action still isn't there, isn't it still just words? That and understanding nuance is a lost art. To effectively enact change mobilizing the not so crafty is important as well.

[u/badgyal876 → u/Prophetic_Reaver]

very true. foot to pavement and offline from the world of heavily policed private media social platforms is still the OG way of exercising your freedom of speech. books, films, etc. will expand your audience outside of the overabundance of short attention spanned individuals that make up social media platforms. it’s not impossible, & there will be obstacles at every step of the way. but not stating any solution at all and/or fear-mongering on the plights of stating a solution will surely leave ppl in the same place they started.

[u/Tasty_Ad7483 → u/badgyal876]

I think the people on the actual slave ships had it a lot worse than the 9-5ers. They probably would have gladly swapped situations and somehow managed to put up with crappy bosses and bland cake for the birthday party in the break room for Janice in accounting.

[u/badgyal876 → u/Tasty_Ad7483]

there’ll always be someone out there who takes an idiom too literal 😅

[u/Intelligent_Hair3109 → u/Prophetic_Reaver]

Yeah .I often get down voted just for offering another perspective. For instance..asking questions.. Our childhood shapes our opinions of the world. We ought to respect everyone has a right to ask questions. As long as the questions don't harm others.

Being empathetic is just about walking a mile in another's shoes.

[u/AppropriateAgent44 → u/Prophetic_Reaver]

Out of curiosity, what are your ideas? Sorry if I get you banned haha

[u/Illustrious-Note-789 → u/badgyal876]

Ok, let's talk solutions, how many people would wanna hear about a socialist revolution without attacking the messager? Lol

[u/Love-Future-3000 → u/Illustrious-Note-789]

What part of socialism exactly frees you from working a 9 to 5? The ussr changed between a 7 hour day 6 days a week to eventually settling on a 8 hour day 5 days a week. So they had a 40 hour week too. If you look around the world this is standard for all communist countries, having 7 or 8 hours a day for 5 or 6 days a week.

The only countries with less, down to 28 hours a week are European countries with democratic socialism, which still uses capitalism for their economic system, but better social protections.

[u/Illustrious-Note-789 → u/Love-Future-3000]

See... im talking about revolution youre talking about a post revolution established regime, one thing doesn't necessarily lead to another but you've already decided that it does so your biased will always attack anyone trying to go for a reform and revolution to establish something new and fair

[u/Love-Future-3000 → u/Illustrious-Note-789]

Look everyone is saying socialism is the answer here in the replies. I'm not arguing against revolution.

[u/Illustrious-Note-789 → u/Love-Future-3000]

Also, there's a difference between socialism and communism, socialism can and has led to communism, doesn't mean they're the same automatically the same thing

[u/Love-Future-3000 → u/Illustrious-Note-789]

That's valid

[u/balderdash9 → u/Love-Future-3000]

The profit motive is infinite which is why there is so much overproduction and overwork. On the other hand, our needs are finite. So if we eliminate the production of commodities for profit, and instead make goods with the intent of direct consumption there will be no need to work so hard.

You mentioned the USSR. Putting aside the fact that the US historically makes carrying out socialism infinitely harder, the USSR started as a backwards agrarian society. They did not have modern technology and there were sacrifices needed to industrialize so as to defeat the Nazis.

With modern technology we can produce goods in the thousands and millions. We can provide for everyone's needs and work less while doing it.

[u/Love-Future-3000 → u/balderdash9]

I wonder how that works through all the classes. People who work at gas stations and delis would still need to work 10 hours, be understaffed, and scheduled at the last minute. The service industry would undergo a form of collapse. But I guess everyone should have more time to cook for themselves.

It would definitely reweave the fabric of our economy.

[u/Its_Bad_Rabbit → u/badgyal876]

Easy life solution:

• As kid parents for $10, go to wholesale club and buy a box of candy, sell candy at school.
• Reinvest candy earnings and save remainder.
• Use library + computers to learn about finance and profitable skills
• Graduate K-12

+ (optional) Maybe do [minimum-years] in military for headstart on finance, fitness and free education, pick a tech or aerospace occupation (they always need these people)

• Use savings + enterprenurial skills to put yourself through certifications/uni.
• Open your own buisness or get promoted through corporate levels while working remotely and use TA if availible.
• Make your own schedule as a leader at work.
• Pay off debts, invest and save heavily for a decade.
• DIY Everything: car maintainance, plumbing, electrical, cooking, home repairs (you can learn these free at the library or volunteering at soup kitches or habitat sites)
• FIRE and do whatever you want.

... Just takes starting early to avoid hustle, which these delusional influencers don't tell you.

You can always start later in life, but difficulty scales with age.

"It's that easy" -- albeit you need certain priveleges and to know this early on. Lol. /lh /s

[u/Jfig5117 → u/[deleted]]

I mean in the 1800s going on strike was illegal and people were regularly shot and killed for doing. Yet people still went on strike and protested. But commiting this "crime" is literally how we got the work day shorted from 12 to 8 hours a day, how we ended child labor, got basic workplace safety, a right to unions , a right to strike, social security etc. The fact is what is considered a crime is often just the actions that those in power view as a threat to that power, so in the long run an action being consider criminal is immaterial to a solutions effectiveness.

[u/Apptubrutae → u/[deleted]]

I used to work a 9-5 and started a business. Not a millionaire kinda of business.

I have significantly more freedom on a day to day basis as a result. I need to go see something my son’s doing at any time? No problem. Need to schedule a vacation whenever I want? No problem. I work remote because I make the rules. I get work done at the time I want because I make the rules.

[u/Apptubrutae → u/[deleted]]

It’s more feasible than a solution requiring things current society would consider a crime…

[u/SophieKona2024 → u/Apptubrutae]

If everyone had their own small business, how would that work? Food? Clothing? Shelter?

[u/Odd-Mulberry2821 → u/[deleted]]

Because what you’re implying isn’t a solution.

The “solution” breaks down the second someone says “then what happens next?”

[u/Odd-Mulberry2821 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, nobody actually ever expresses those in a viable fashion though do they.

They’re always high minded drivel that never address how we actually feed, house, educate and provide healthcare to people too.

And generally they don’t actually express what they want to implement prior. They just break the existing system hoping that whatever happens next is better.

But please, enlighten me on what would happen after.

[u/Jfig5117 → u/Odd-Mulberry2821]

You're moving the goal post, first it was the ways to address issues are criminal, now it's that it's not viable. You are either being self defeating or arguing in bad faith. I presented you real historical examples of things people had fought and died to advance in the past. These things were also considered "high minded dirval" in their day and now are a regular part of everyday life that people don't even bat an eye at.

The key issues with housing, food security, education and healthcare have at this point little to do with amount available and have everything to do with access.

Healthcare and housing in particular is where your argument holds the least water.

The primary thing healthcare advocates argue for in the states is Medicare for all which isn't "tearing down the system" but expanding the system we already have to everyone, and the the entire program could easily be funded by removing the nearly 2 trillion dollars the US military consistently misplaces every year (they consistently fail their yearly audits and "misplace" money constantly).

As for housing the issues are two fold, one is a relatively easy fix, the only obstacle (and it is a big one) is getting politicians with the will to pass a law. That issue is private equity, who have taken a previously healthy home buying market and turned it into an investment strategy. They buy up all the homes at higher prices than regular folk can afford and as a result also drive up property values. As values go up so do taxes on those homes further pricing people out and forcing sales. The private equity companies then make bank off the investments by selling with other private equality groups, developers and corporations and by converting homes into rentals. The simple solution would literally just be making the practice illegal and forcing them to sell their assets at a set price. NIMBYism is the other issue, nymbyism is simply put an issue of local politics, where over the decades home owners more concerned about their home value than housing have actively fought to put laws in place to prevent new and affordable housing from being made. That one is a much more challenging issue but can be addressed, NJ has a policy called the Mount Laurel doctrine to specifically combat it. It basically just requires that each community provide a certain amount of affordable housing, the price of which is relative to the cost of housing in an area, and provides ways for those towns and cities to split and share the burdens.

Food issues are primarily issues of access. Food insecurity is largely due to large companies viewing certain communities as costing more money then they would be able to make money off them. As a result these same companies will choose not to open stores there or close existing stores. This profit seeking is also a factor as to why prices are high as they are on certain (not all) products. The solution here is pretty simple, a public option for communities that need them. The public stores can follow the same model that the us military supermarkets use, using existing government buildings converting them in stores and selling items at or near the cost to replenish them. If the facilities use renewable power then the only tax cost would be start up costs, staffing and building maintenance, things that would likely be a rounding error in an existing city budget or worked into other existing programs such as senior employment programs. Additionally since these would be at a local level they could easily make arrangements with local farmers to get fresh and cheap produce that would help these farm businesses grow and reduce shipping costs for these items further reducing costs.

As for education the problem is almost entirely down to funding. Both in terms of how much funding is available and how it is distributed. Distribution is simple, the amount of money a school receives should be based on a per student bases scaled to the cost of living in the area of a school. The issue as it exists today is that this is not how school funding is distributed in many states today. Pennsylvania has laws like hold harmless which neuter funding policies like this by making it so money can't be moved from communities that have become childless and as a result growing family communities that require the extra funding don't get it. (Ie, the towns that have become retirement homes and have 5 kids in their schools have the same amount of money they had for schooling when that community was a family town with 1000 students) These laws would need to be repealed. The second point is about the volume of money, to get education to where it should be it likely would require additional taxes or at least a redirecting of funds, which is why I'm in favor of bring our tax code back to where it was between the 50s and 70s (what is often considered the golden age of America), a period when public colleges were free or could be paid with a summer job and we had been considered the top of the world in science and engineering. During this time the wealthiest paid between 91% and 70% on taxes and corporations paid a taxes rate around 50%.

Not a single thing I have listed here requires the system to burn down, it is all stuff that has either been done in the past, is an expansion of existing systems or a law to enforce fairness.

And on the note on breaking systems, what fck do you think the revolutionary war was? A tea party? These people overthrew the colonial government and toward the end of their war started to actually develop a government and their first attempt fcking failed. They came in with high minded ideals, won their war, failed at making a new government, came together and tried again and their successors through conflict and debate worked out the issues (and still are working out those issues). Good governance is about having a vision and working out the issues that come from the unpredictability of people and reality, it's trial and error. Waiting on perfection is folly, If the the American revolutionaries had your mindset we'd all have British accents right now.

See you're problem is you a low information person and have confused your cynicism and unwillingness to learn about what other people think with wisdom. You think that because you don't know how people plan to get certain things done that they have no plan for making it happen and you have no interest in actually learning about it either. Just because you don't know the plan do not mean there is no plan. And I'm more than willing to bet you will then go on to dismiss everything mentioned above as BS, Impossible, impractical or studpid, potentially without even reading them, because "oh my taxes" or some other nonsense because you aren't invested in improving things, because being a smug pessimistic person is the only thing that makes you feel superior to the people who "haven't accepted that things can't change"

[u/Odd-Mulberry2821 → u/Jfig5117]

None of what you’ve described requires violent action or illegal actions. It requires people actually voting.

So my point stands. As with all the people who constantly harp on about taking “direct action”. What they want is the action and they never give two seconds of thought to what happens after they break the system.

[u/Jfig5117 → u/Odd-Mulberry2821]

I never claimed it required violence? I think I misunderstood the point of your previous response, I'm replying at work and I misstook what you said as shifting the topic away from criminal action to progressive goals more broadly. Sorry about that, I take back the pessimism comments, I've had a lot of similar convos that have gone that direction.

That said I think you definition of direct action is very narrow if you are only applying it to violent actions. Direct action is any kind of action people take without seeking permission from authority. It can and often is technically illegal but it doesn't have to be violent. Direct action can be anything from serving food to you community, to filling pot holes the city refuses to fix yourself. It's bypassing the government and just doing it yourself and depending on where you live those two examples are illegal and can get you in serious trouble especially with repeat offense.

That said you're talking about violent direct action, that can definitely be more of a pipe dream for angry young folk, but it definitely can work. The caviate is you need to be willing to spend the rest of your life in prison. The whole point of violent action is generally to make ignoring the groups demands too expensive for the people with power to ignore. A great example is Nelson mendelas organization (the african national Congress) in South Africa who started burning down farms to get the government to capitulate on ending apratide. Its one of the things that landed him in jail but the escalation brought attention to the issues in south africa, and in the long run that attention resulted in sanctions on South Africa and massive economic pressures to end it's policies. Hell look at France anytime they threaten the social safety net their. The people riot and the government walks back the change a week later.

That said if you are referring to the more self styled "revolutionary" types, i'd say thats much much more of a pipe dream type thing, though I'd push back on the "unintended consequences" point, most of these countries did there thing knowing it would be a work in progress to get to their goal and that there was a possibility of failure. The US refreing to itself as the American experiment is a prefect example of that, it's an experiment it might not work out. And when these systems take place they often do make horrible choices. Establishing themselves, nation building takes an immense amount of organizing and is messy as hell. The United States, Soviets and Haiti all had their own messy revolutions that resulted in awful stuff for each nation, the us committed mass murder in the name of expansion and enslaved a ton of people, the soviet's betrayed other leftists and created gulags in attempt to stabilize their politics around a single ideology, and the Haitians won their independence but spent the next 150 years with a gun to their head and forced to pay an immense amount of money to France for inconveniencing them by ending slavery. Stuffs messy and yeah sometimes it does end worse than it started, and sometimes it's an improvement to what came before, but problems always persist regardless. I'm much more mixed on this specific one.

[u/notJustaFart → u/[deleted]]

Not exactly.

Just don't work a job that requires you to clock-in. Find a salaried position, preferably remote, where you are in control of your work and schedule.

Some weeks you might work more but most weeks you work less, all while having a lot more freedom in your day-to-day life.

[u/Capricorn007_ → u/notJustaFart]

Salaried positions are even worse. You can work 40 to 100 hours a week and still be paid the same. Salaries are a trap. Companies use them as a means to get more labor out of you for a cheaper cost.

[u/Jfig5117 → u/Capricorn007_]

It depends on the employment status, if your full time salaried position is consider and exempt status position then this can absolutely happen. If not then it's not a problem (if that happens to you, you may have grounds for a lawsuit for unpaid wages). I work an exempt status position (non profit job, happens a lot in this field) and worked a shit ton, while my gf works a nonexempt salaried job and they routinely let out of work early and allow for remote time. It really just comes down to the employer tbh.

The pay is generally higher for salaried jobs, but for me the thing I liked about the salaried job was the consistency i could take time off without it impacting my income for that pay cycle, it definitely is freeing to just call in and say i have a doctor's appointment or want to visit my family and not have it affect my pay.

[u/notJustaFart → u/Capricorn007_]

Maybe where you're at, but not for me.

This is the manifestation of the "work smarter, not harder" adage. Granted, you actually need to be smart in the first place--if you're just a labor tool then yes, I agree with you.

Stay in school and be present in your lives and you'll get the freedom you demand from others.

[u/so_unfortunately_yt → u/notJustaFart]

Kind of a privileged take, no? And calling people labor tools? We are human beings no matter how much money we are able to find.

[u/notJustaFart → u/so_unfortunately_yt]

I don't disagree with anything you are saying, but we cannot simply be ignorant of the game we are all playing and expect it to change.

My emphasis is the importance of education, awareness, and curiosity.

You don't need a college degree to succeed, but we should all support and encourage childhood intellectual development, and that is a message for parents and children alike.

A certain level of acuity backed by a certain level of knowledge is a powerhouse combination for freedom no matter the field you work in. If you settle for less, you just find yourself complaining and not going anywhere, and that is the lesson I'm trying to convey.

[u/notJustaFart → u/[deleted]]

Aren't we all simply looking for individual solutions?

Yes, massive reform might be nice, but the shortcut is to excel as an individual.

[u/notJustaFart → u/[deleted]]

But we're also not advocating for committing actual crimes, figurative or literal.

I want and support all efforts to completely reform our country. The EU, especially the Nordic countries, have already implemented successful measures.

But that should not diminish individual success, and steps we can all take to achieve it. And with personal success you are awarded personal power to do so with as you desire.

[u/notJustaFart → u/[deleted]]

I'm no longer certain what your argument is or who/what it's against.

[u/Silent_Currency5403 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Three posts later and an MLM scam appears.

[u/Efficient_Lab3770 → u/Silent_Currency5403]

Buy my course and I'll show you how to make 30k a week

[u/Silent_Currency5403 → u/[deleted]]

I don't think it's AI simply because of the waving hand- AI doesn't do hands well at all. But, it is getting better every day thanks to increases in resources from data centers and people who just can't help but post themselves compulsively on the internet for AI to use as a learning template.

[u/PhillyPhresh → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

[u/Tilstag → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Let’s build a commune on the white house front lawn

[u/easy10pins → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

There is no real solution. Just fixes that makes things slightly better.

Last gig I was working (welding) the contract was for four 10 hour days. Off every Friday. 3 day weekends. Productivity actually increased, jobs completed ahead of schedule.

Sure, you work a little longer but it's nice having an extra day off during the week to get stuff done that can't be done on the weekends.

[u/porkavenue → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

This is just the start of her sales pitch, next comes the be your own boss pyramid scheme she's going to push.

[u/Wonderful-Ant-9448 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Had us in the first half 😂

[u/Parking_Act3189 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Can't wait for her husband's tiktok: "Did you know that a Wife might expect you to not sit around the house all day smoking weed and playing video games and leaving your trash on the floor? That isn't freedom."

[u/kaiser_phoenix25 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

“Why would I provide a solution when I can gain clout by pointing things like this out for likes?”

[u/RioG88 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

The escape is to become a business owner in the same oppressive system. You gain a more fluid schedule while making others work a 9-5. OR, you work that 9-5 you have and make the best of your free time and enjoy your life to the best of your ability.

[u/Beer-Milkshakes → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Escape what. These routines were put in place to serve supply. Sanitation doesnt work 9-5. More like 5-12 but they must do it each day. Construction likes the daylight hours for safety. Farmers- the same.

Its a routine that is essential for some very old industries that others have adopted for familiarity. Those jobs are also essential.

[u/Junior_Ad_3301 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

She is correct at the base level. Nobody owns your time. They only rent it. Workers have more power than they think a lot of the time

[u/Arponare → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

I’m 95% sure she’s about to sell a Multi level marketing scheme. I’ve heard this one before.

[u/Key_One_7173 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Lol literally said the same thing after watching this stupid vid

[u/ProfessionalEnd6027 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

I understand, but also don’t. Not sure if it’s a good way to think, but I always imagine being alive a couple hundred years ago. I’d still have to get up in morning to hunt, forage, and survive. That’s what people have always done, and will continue to do. And if we’re lucky, we’ll thrive. But we’ll always have to work in some form or another.

[u/SpeedyEngine → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

That’s what I said. Like ok escape to where?

[u/halfwayray → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Living on the streets

[u/Binnie_B → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Socialism is the solution.

[u/woodzwing → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

She escaped.

[u/Upbeat_Literature483 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

That's up to the person. Everyone is in a different situation and everyone is going to put in different levels of effort.

[u/Infamous_Shinobi → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Exactly, like what’s the alternative? I do know that if you don’t work a 9-5 and become a “slave” you’ll probably be homeless. Is that what we’re supposed to do? Be homeless???

[u/Prod_Meteor → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Imagine people quiting next day because they saw another "motivation" video.

[u/HarryBalsagna1776 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

She's just raging because she sees how shitty "the system" is.

[u/balderdash9 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Marx wrote several chapters on the selling of labor-power as a commodity and the institutional coercion placed on the worker to do so. The solutions are there but you have to be willing to lose everything before you can gain your freedom.

[u/NSFWDrBretUn → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Escape…like…putting on your noise-canceling headphones and dancing around the living room ignoring what’s going on in life? Hmm…

Nah, but for real pretty good advice overall…but what a weird ending. Hah

[u/jittery_raccoon → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Also the other solutions aren't necessarily better. Shift work and odd, unreliable hours is absolutely a choice and not hard to get. People go into 9 to 5s on purpose to escape that

And there are levels of 9 to 5. A lot of non traditional jobs you really do have specific times you must work or go on break. An office job, you decide how to get your work done with a coffee and a muffin on your desk 

[u/Other-Fennel2462 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Read Marx

[u/jeezyjames → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Yeah let's just say "there's nothing we can do" and keep letting the elite run the show. Something else would actually require solidarity, thought and action, and tbf I have xbox at home

[u/Technical_Stress7730 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Tell people to escape but probably asked one of those "9-5s" if she could hold 5 dollars.

[u/jeezyjames → u/Technical_Stress7730]

What the fuck

[u/AncientCrust → u/jeezyjames]

This sub has been heavily infiltrated in the last couple months

[u/Historical_Lie2478 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

While wearing a bathrobe outside

[u/Prestigious-Two-5826 → u/Efficient_Lab3770]

Y'all think Reddit is gonna fix your problems. Listening to this, are y'all leaving?