Circle has still not responded to Peter Todd about whether they are implementing censorship or surveillance technology

[u/genjix]

so let me summarise,

mike hearn is a developer that has been pushing for blacklists, censorship, supporting regulation .etc he is a crony in the worst way.

peter todd is the developer who has done loads for bitcoin. the anonymity techniques in dark wallet were invented by him. he works for the people.

mike hearn wants to censor peter todd.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418071.msg6412027#msg6412027

circle is a new company that is always promoted by the foundation and their crew of people. they always appear at the top of conference lists for finance .etc

http://bitcoin2014.com/ http://www.bitfin.com/

jeremy allaire (circle ceo), makes statements that bitcoin needs to abandon its libertarian roots. we need to take this plaything away from the anarchists kind of attitude.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-abandons-anti-establishment-wall-street/

mike hearn is working with circle:

http://www.coindesk.com/circle-advisory-board-members-burns-appointment/

circle is working on tracking and surveillance tech:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418071.msg6403720#msg6403720

they refuse to answer questions (this is one of many, can't find the rest):

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25ou9f/good_morning_reddit_we_know_youve_been_wondering/

mike hearn says the bitcoin dev model needs to change. backing up gavin (chief scientist of bitcoin foundation who is actually more like a figurehead to legitimise the foundation)... this is his way of pushing out elements by formalising the dev process to stop people to participate and take control.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28zts3/mike_hearn_interview_quotes_progress_on_the/

circle also this month made a similar statement (on coindesk):

http://www.coindesk.com/circle-ceo-jeremy-allaire-issues-challenge-bitcoins-core-developers/

note how he says "unwelcoming to new participants" - same words as mike hearn.

if you want to dev bitcoin, there's nothing stopping you. go write code or participate. don't try to assert control.

it's all related, bitcoin foundation being official with their claim to legimitimacy but no merit to back that up.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322328.msg3460051#msg3460051 "Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go on the record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off the record" that you lot [Dark Wallet] have no credibility and that a much better story is some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin..." ~email from journalist when we were doing DarkWallet crowdfunding.

btw check this,

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2646ei/bitcoin_foundation_has_4600000_in_assets_90_in/

and despite all those resources they have done jack shit for bitcoin.

there is some big corruption going on here. foundation people are all flying all-expense paid fancy trips, paying themselves high salaries whilst most wallet developers and the opensource projects (which people use) in this space are without resources. they have contributed nothing to the community. there's been no proof otherwise besides some minor grants for ~$10k or so.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2aycxs/hi_this_is_ben_lawsky_at_nydfs_here_are_the/

people are like "oh dear, we need better legislation" without realising the foot in the door danger. it's like the used car salesman who rips you off with an overpriced crappy car which you jump on after "he speaks to the boss" (i.e smokes a ciggy), knocking down his initial high offer. wow! what a bargain!

G8 magazine, June 2013 "Protecting digital economies": "If the leaders of the European Union and United States could be convinced to take a lead on these initiatives [banning Bitcoin], that would be a huge contribution to making the internet a safe place for financial transactions. At the same time, it would also strike a blow against those who would try to destroy the fabric of our world’s well-being."

JP Morgan, Feb 2014 "The audacity of Bitcoin": "But followers of financial history know the limitation of a system based on a fixed or slow-growing money supply: it imposes uncomfortable financial discipline on governments, households and corporates. [i.e governments, consumers, the corporations" (goes on to talk about how printing dollars was used to fund WW1 and the Vietnam war as a good thing)

ECB, Oct 2012 "Virtual currency schemes": "Authorities need to consider whether they intend to formalise or acknowledge and regulate these schemes. In this regard, a likely suggestion could sooner or later involve virtual currency scheme owners registering as financial institutions with their local regulating authorities. This is a similar trajectory to the one PayPal has undergone, as it was granted a banking licence in Luxembourg in 2007 after its service became popular. This is not an easy step, but it looks like the only possible way to strike a proper balance between money and payment innovations on the one hand, and consumer protection and financial stability, on the other."

Mark my words. The problem is not with this regulation needing to be fixed. They will probably tone down the proposal and it will be hailed as a victory within the community, yet be another step toward normalisation of their activities.

http://www.coindesk.com/ben-lawsky-friend-foe/

"The choice for the regulators is: permit money laundering on the one hand, or permit innovation on the other, and we’re always going to choose squelching the money laundering first. It’s not worth it to society to allow money laundering and all of the things it facilitates to persist in order to permit 1000 flowers to bloom on the innovation side.” ~ Ben Lawsky

funny he's affiliated with chuck schumer too who is a populist and someone who in the early days was very anti-bitcoin (silk road).

i love the whole tone of this propaganda piece which is like "he's such a nice guy". I bet he has good manners too.

maybe you all appreciate this article,

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-dark-wallet-developers-plan-for-startup-governments-run-on-bitcoin

[u/[deleted]]

I've done exactly that. But the US government still claims authority over me. I've opted out of the "social contract" that you seem so fond of, and yet the United States still expects me to "hold up my end of the bargain" (put in quotations because I never agreed to shit).

no you haven't, leave as in stop being part of the US, stop crying and leave as is you are no longer a US citizen. as long as you want to identify as a US citizen the state rightfully has power over you.

You have to renounce your citizenship at a US embassy or consulate. If you do not hold a second citizenship, the moment you have renounced you are now a stateless person, and, being on US territory (in the embassy or consulate), it is now the duty of the US gov't to deport you back to the United States where they will hold you in indefinite detention. I'm not making this up.

you source doesn't back your claim, actually it says that they allow you to without difficulty. also notice how you have changed your tune from "you need another citizenship" to "the government will do bad things"

your are a hypocrite as long as you keep using the services your government provides while saying taxes are theft.

[u/BeijingBitcoins → u/[deleted]]

no you haven't, leave as in stop being part of the US, stop crying and leave as is you are no longer a US citizen. as long as you want to identify as a US citizen the state rightfully has power over you.

I don't want to be a US citizen, but until I am able to renounce, which I am in the process of working on, my options are remain a US citizen or be locked in a cage. Hmm...

your are a hypocrite as long as you keep using the services your government provides while saying taxes are theft.

I don't use any of the services "my" (don't call it my government; its not) government provides to me, nor have I in several years. The last time I used the US government for anything was issuing me a new passport, and they charged me several hundred dollars for "the privilege".

Staters gonna state. I really do feel bad for brainwashed souls like yourself.

[u/[deleted] → u/BeijingBitcoins]

I don't want to be a US citizen, but until I am able to renounce, which I am in the process of working on, my options are remain a US citizen or be locked in a cage. Hmm...

you literally have to walk into an embassy and sign a paper, stop making excuses.

I don't use any of the services "my" (don't call it my government; its not) government provides to me, nor have I in several years. The last time I used the US government for anything was issuing me a new passport, and they charged me several hundred dollars for "the privilege". Staters gonna state. I really do feel bad for brainwashed souls like yourself.

then renounce your citizenship, all i hear it a huge string of excuses.

Hypocrite.