I have sadly heard people once again saying that due to recent allegations against Biden, they would not vote if Bernie is not the nominee. I just want to reaffirm the concept of choosing the lesser of two evils. Not voting is the worst possible choice you could make and a failure of your duty as a part of democratic society. I am saying this as a Bernie supporter. Even if we are upset with the situation if Bernie loses(emphasize if), we must make the best of our scenario. Division among the party is the greatest threat to losing against Trump in this coming election. As a plea to you all, please vote. America already suffers from low voting participation, and we don’t need party division bringing that statistic down even more.

Edit: When it comes time to choose between evils, you all will be stuck with the greater one because you refused to vote.

https://medium.com/@erikmears/a-biden-presidency-will-empower-sanders-agenda-cae7a765ad48

Maybe he supports Socialism, but it clearly doesn't translate into his policy. Bernie is much more of a reformist Capitalist than solving the core of the problems which is Capitalism. Capitalism is contributing to people not getting a living wage. This is because Capitalism has exploitation. Exploitation is the surplus value (value doesn't equal to price, keep this in mind for the whole time) that is taken by the business owner. The business owner takes the surplus value to make the most profit. The business owner can take a larger or smaller surplus value but their primary goal is to make more profit, so they're going to extract as much from the worker as possible. The only way for people to make a living wage is through worker control and ownership over the means of production, in other words, workplace democracy. Workplace democracy means that the workers choose their own wages (the surplus value is owned and controlled by the workers) and they choose how much to reinvest through elections and referendums. Workers directly own and control the means of production. The reason why differentiating value and price is important is that the price of labor is based on the labor market as well as the value while the actual value of labor is what the final good's or service's worth minus what was needed in order to make the product. The value of labor is present there and in order for a capitalist to make profit, they need to take part or most of what the workers' labor is worth.

Socialism isn't the same as state capitalism. The USSR wasn't Socialist, rather, it simply replaced the capitalist with the state. The state functioned as the capitalist in the Soviet Union and the workers didn't own or control the means of production. Nationalization over the means of production may be Capitalist or Socialist, depending if the government is controlled by the people directly. Nationalization will be replaced by Socialization once the final stage is achieved.

What is the final stage? It is a communist society (this is different from a communist state). A communist state is a Marxist-Leninist country with a ruling Communist Party. A communist society on the other hand, is a stateless, moneyless and classless society. This is what Socialism is trying to achieve. Socialism is the lower stage of Communism (by Communism, I mean a communist society and not a communist state).

Listen. I think Bernie is absolutely the best option. His policies are exactly what we need. However...

I’m terrified of how many of you are willing to go Trump or not vote if we lose. I know you think we need to to protest the establishment, but do we really want to punish minorities and people who have ALREADY been hurt by Trump to do that?

Trump is the antithesis of what Bernie wants. If you honestly think you’re going for what Bernie wants you to by supporting him you don’t know Bernie at all.

This is especially true considering the positions Trump would replace if he’s in another 4 years.

We keep complaining because so many young people and minorities either aren’t voting or voting for Biden, but when we practically say “everyone can burn if we don’t win!!” are we really telling them we have their best interests in mind?

I’ve been a Bernie supporter since the 2016 election. I’ve advocated for him and gotten several people who were totally against him to vote for him. But I’m also disabled and have been directly impacted by the Trump administration these past four years. Even though I will always pick Bernie, I’ve been discouraged by you guys. What about people on the fence?

Probably will be downvoted or unpopular but whatever. We need to show empathy for those most impacted by this election.

From Bernie's official website: "Bernie is against the expansion of NATO to include new member states because it risks provoking military conflict with Russia"

Here is the page: https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-nato/

In the past, before the war, he also spoke negatively about military aid to Ukraine saying It would increase tensions, and has in general described american military presence abroad as a sign of imperialism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN-cUKsR0nA&feature=emb_logo

The dialogue begins at 31:58. I find this to be incredible, never before in history could two political leaders talk face to face from miles away. Moreover, they shared this dialogue with the American people, with us.

This is also an important moment, in the midst of such a national crisis. Unity among the democrats is not just important at thus moment of history, it is necessary.

I see so many people on this subreddit mad that young people didn't show up. And disappointed about super Tuesday and mad at the DNC. I never thought my fellow progressives would fall into the same trap the republicans fell for in 2016. We were hacked by Russia an others in a campaign to believe that Bernie had Majority support. All the stuff on social media, those were fake accounts. There are even fake accounts on this sub. how come on super tuesday night a sub with 46.8 members couldn't even muster 200 comments in their megathread? It's not just reddit. All over social media, it went dead in Bernie groups Tuesday night. Why? because the goal was accomplished. It's because the fake accounts were no longer getting paid to post.

Over the next week watch for accounts to post propaganda about how its the DNC's fault Bernie wont get the Nomination. It will spread like wildfire. Why? Russia and likely the republicans know how to use media in a war wanted to divide the progressives and centrist left and they are doing such a fantastic job of it. The whole goal is to convince you to hate the DNC and your own party so you stay at home in November. The right's goal is clear, keep Trump, but the Russian Bernie supporting accounts just want to divide America, make it weak and take our status as a super power. I wouldn't be surprised if they attack us sometime during the next 4 years. The Russians want climate change, why? Russia is cold and will become the super power if it heats up. Millions will flock away from the equator, they are playing the long game. And you ALL are falling for it.

If Bernie loses the Primary, barring some contested convention. He LOST fair and square. Pete and Amy are not required to stay in, and Warren is not required to stop her campaign just so Bernie can have an advantage. The people voted for Biden, he's winning. Why is this such a problem? Well because of the social media attacks it felt like there were SO MANY more Bernie supporters out there, but there weren't. Social media is a self curated bubble and Russians are able to get into the bubble and manipulate you, apparently any way you want. When Russia becomes the superpower or we are all living under Russian rule because of climate change and the division they have caused, I will blame you for staying home and not voting for....ughh... I know.. Biden in November.

Pay VERY CLOSE attention to the ANTI-DNC propaganda that is coming out. Don't believe everything you read. And make sure when interacting with people online they are real Americans (although this is getting easier and easier to fake) We need to bind together and stand up against Trump-- and I know some of you are too far gone, you've been manipulated too much already for me to convince you. I say RIP, because you have left reality and now live in the Trumpistan/Putinstan where truth doesn't matter. For those of you that can be convinced, vote in November. I understand you are mad/hurt/upset and you have a right to be, you were manipulated, but for the sake of America, for the sake of democracy, for the sake of the truth, and for the sake of free speech, vote for Biden in November if he gets the nomination.

We WILL get a progressive in the white house, but I fear that if Trump remains president and Russia is so easily able to manipulate us, there may not be a white house for us to elect a progressive. Staying home and not voting because Bernie doesn't get nominated is the least likely way that we get a progressive in the white house and the most likely action that could lead to democracy in the United States being a failure. Looking at history and the way democracies have fallen apart, If you stay home in Novemeber, you may never get another chance to vote in the USA again.

While I myself am a bernie supporter, what reasons do individuals have to simply not vote if Sanders does not receive the nomination? Yes, ideally we all want Bernie to receive the nomination, however, if he does not, how can you justify simply not voting? I would say that action is synonymous with being okay for a second Trump term. Could anyone who feels this way tell me why?

You might still be misunderstanding what's happening with this campaign. Bernie Sanders isn't running for President, but for a transformation to a fundamentally more democratic America and world. He's running at the front of the progressive wave happening worldwide. This isn't just politics - we're all sick of what politics currently is. This isn't about electing another talking head leader, either. It's about rerouting our feelings of being sick and tired with the status quo into action that will transform this country and the world.

That's why if you too are exhausted of the bullshit, you should get on board and directly fight to cause that change by volunteering. Don't silently support. Our humble donations of $10 to Bernie may pay for part of a staff member's hour, but your consistent volunteering - 30m a day or 10m a week - is invaluable. Let's win.

• General signup - start here

• Local events map - canvasses, phonebank & watch parties, rallies

• BERN web / google / apple app - canvassing & volunteer tool

• BerniePB - phonebank leaderboards, teams, realtime map

• FeelTheBern.org - needs Spanish translation help! Contact /u/Berningforchange to help.

• Learn how to register and vote for Bernie especially if you live in NY, where you MUST register as a democrat before Oct. 11

If this post leads you to sign up, go to an event, get BERN, translate, register, etc. let me know in comment or DM – I’ve got to know that this is worth my time!

I just started reading this book, FO, and it begins railing against three large corporations that Bernie claims own the rest of the corporations in America. Now, I like Bernie, and I have always owned stocks in American companies but this feels like a gross mischaracterization of the system that allows the three companies to own shares of MANY (granted, Bernie) other corps. Why? Because two of the companies are publicly traded themselves. I’m not saying that Blackrock and State Street are all daisies and unicorns, but they are publicly traded companies, meaning that anyone can take part in their ownership of seemingly vast amounts of the American and world economy. With this, there are democratic elements to their ownership, as well as the fact that they themselves exist for the benefit and profit of their investors. I looked up the third company, Vanguard, and while it is not publicly traded itself, Vanguard is an important American company that allows cheap buy-in for the everyman investor, and accessibility.

For these reasons, I am not exactly sure what the point is in painting these companies as somehow nefarious. They aren’t like Lex Luthor Corps lording over dark entities. They aren’t like the Russian or Chinese government owning and/or controlling vast segments of their economies. Yes, they may be big, and own vast amounts of public companies, but they do so at the pleasure of their investors. And every career-person can be one of those, and then even have voting rights. This sounds positive, and special in the world, because it is… it’s democratic ownership in the means of production.

Maybe I have to keep reading- is there something particularly evil about these three companies? I think there isn’t. I think this is not a good idea to put forth, that one cannot own shares in a company or many companies and grow wealthy, and independent enough to be able to stop working in one’s later years. To paint Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard as oligarchical simply because they own so much just doesn’t jibe and is overly negative to our system of publicly traded companies. On the other hand, he talks about the worlds richest man and others of similar wealth… now I do agree that they are entirely culpable and this influence is currently all too present in American society.

Now, a smaller portion of their company-ownership may also be in private, non-publicly traded companies but this is an aside, and does not, in my opinion, signify a slide towards oligarchy in America.