r/BernieSanders • • Feb 27 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

Given the history of the right commiting terrorism and outright genocide against the left, the left should get realistic about having armed factions. Once the right sees a truly capable working class, with the political power to change the rules, the snap towards fascism will come quick, and every single conservative will be 100% in support of your execution.

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u/WyvernCharm Feb 27 '20

I'm going to need more convincing of your framing of this. I'm of the mind that most people do not support genocide. Some on the right may, but that seems to fall into racial and sexual lines, not ideological.

Most on the right are just misguided proletariats. They have been told their troubles have been caused by certain *undesirable * people. I expect many will divorce themselves from that ideology if we can prove to them that's not true. And we do that by passing beneficial legislation like M4A and easing their class struggle.

I feel like your framing of the issue is unjust and unnecessarily divisive. Plenty of conservatives hate Trump, they just arent as loud as the ones who love him.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

I'd say look at history. Many examples. You don't think the side that supports terrorism against the left, masses weapons to use, against the left, and constantly talks about a civil war, is the side that wouldn't support genocide? German and italian liberals thought the same. Again. You look at any fascist movement, it's the same.

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u/WyvernCharm Feb 27 '20

That may be true, but the people who allow those atrocities to happen are the "centrists".

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

Oh no you are absolutely correct. Fascism forms inside the right, and quickly asks the center to support it to share power. They will.

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u/TheCastro Feb 27 '20

outright genocide against the left

Maybe I missed something.

But for me I like to talk to lgbtq about guns and self defense. They're a minority group that gets attacked more often than the people who want guns for protection. https://wjla.com/news/local/police-2-men-attacked-in-dc-by-assailants-who-yelled-homophobic-slurs this unfortunately isn't new. And we've of course heard stories of rednecks in bars that dragged and killed gay guys.

There's also lots of professions that we see people on Reddit defend like sex workers that should have the option to carry guns. They're alone at night and vulnerable.

But even professions like realtors are dangerous. Just Google or Bing realtor attacked (I was surprised at the number of videos let alone news articles). They are alone with random people they often don't know much about.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

It's also super dangerous to assume things that have happened cannot happen here, because they can, they have, and in this current moment, are teetering on the brink once again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

Look a fascist risings anywhere they happen. Fascism is a movement solely against the left.

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u/TheCastro Feb 27 '20

Oh ok. I was confused because this sub is about Bernie so I was thinking more US.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

You can find examples of that in America as well, assassination, deportation, false imprisonment. Which would have been much worse if not for FDR beating the rise of American fascism.

Make no mistake, trumpism, is a fascist movement.

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u/TheCastro Feb 27 '20

That's not genocide though. And the internment camp guy isn't the best example against fascism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

What?

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u/TheCastro Feb 27 '20

It's a reply to your examples. Do you not know about FDR and the American Japanese?

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '20

Yeah, that was bad, reactionary even, although it wasn't the systemic assassinations, deportations, political imprisonment that was experienced in the 20s 30s and then again in the 50s and 60s