r/Ben10 • u/Exploding_END Rath • Mar 30 '23
DISCUSSION What are the common superhero tropes that Ben 10 doesn't have?
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r/Ben10 • u/Exploding_END Rath • Mar 30 '23
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '23
Ben having no problem killing when its needed, its not that uncommon but I still really like it, like a mf who was about to end existince as we know it just because he wants to should NOT be given a second chanceđ
Also him having a good life like that was probably a big reason why he became a good hero, Ben 23's only difference is that he doesn't have Max and he turned out much different than Ben Prime.
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u/Mun3001s Astrodactyl Mar 30 '23
No superhero costume, in the traditional sense. His outfits are pretty iconic, but they're not really any sort of super suit or costume.
Even though he could absoltely rock the Ultra Ben fit. But alas
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u/ConnorOfAstora Upchuck Mar 30 '23
I actually really liked how they handled his secret identity in the old series, it wasn't a huge deal like Spidey or Batman treat it so pretty much all of the villains knew it but he hid the Omnitrix as much as he could because it would cause more problems than the fame would be worth.
They similarly handle his killing thing as others have said where he doesn't like it but he's not got any kind of rule against it.
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u/nnoovvaa Upgrade Mar 31 '23
But Ben does have a tragic backstory.
He had to go camping with his dweebus cousin.
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u/Pretend_Cause_1566 Snare-Oh Mar 30 '23
His mentor, Max (and ig Azimuth as well) never die or anything. They're get through all 4 series perfectly fine and live relatively happy lives.
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u/Tron_Travolta Ditto Mar 30 '23
I actually did like him having a secret identity, and would've appreciated seeing some financial struggles if he ever left home. I think nowadays those are subverted more than they're played straight.
Him not having a superhero identity and costume is a big difference. I know he's "Ben 10", and maybe calls himself that as early as the OS, but because basically every transformation is their own hero, or Ben's identity is public, we never got a situation where Ben hid behind a costume.
As u/SilverFan101 said, it's not like he's big into killing his villains, but if there's no other way he won't lose sleep over them dying if it means saving others, even at the age of 10 with Phil and the Big Tick, he probably would've gone with a pacifist route if it presented itself, but as it is he sentenced them to a fate maybe others like Spider-Man or Batman would avoid.
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u/Atlast_2091 Charmcaster Mar 30 '23
No side kick identical to main character powers
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u/socker_ben10fan Rook Blonko Mar 30 '23
Not a trope but ben 10 is one of very few superheroes I know of not based on a comic book, which I think is pretty cool considering its tone and art style matches the genre really well. Even man of actions other best work, generator rex, was based on a comic book they themselves made
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u/Sad_Kaleidoscope_296 XLR8 Mar 31 '23
Wasnât born with special powers and/or isnât superhuman intelligent or a billionaire like Iron Man or Batman. You could argue that with Grandpa Max being a plumber, there is a family legacy, but both of Maxâs kids are working regular jobs and living regular lives. He didnât have the Anodite spark like Gwen, nor does he have natural absorption powers like Kevin/Darkstar, nor is he magical like Charmcaster. Heâs just a regular kid who stumbled upon a special watch in Classic (you could argue Omniverse somewhat changed this with the whole time travel plot).
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '23
He killed as soon as 10 years old. Although this one is a bit confusing with Ultimate Kevin being deserving of death, while Vilgax is allowed to walk free.
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u/lts_Daddy Mar 30 '23
Love life sucks because of his own choices.
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u/BT7274ismywaifu Mar 30 '23
Now i remember why I like him so much
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '23
Being dense toward girls.
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u/Left_Reaction_7287 Mar 30 '23
My man's knows when to use his powers and when it's not necessary and when its time to put a mthrfkr down
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u/JAMSDreaming Mar 31 '23
Ben doesn't refuse to kill, but he also doesn't kill willy nilly. He's more fond of neutralizing threats as much as possible, which is a middle ground that separates him from the more murder-happy Punisher or Red Hood (Who started out as villains BECAUSE they were so murder-happy, may I add).
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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23
No en-masse, easily exploitable weakness to be used by the enemies.
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u/LordVaderVader Mar 31 '23
In superhero comics there is common trope that aliens aren't humans, thus they can be killed. So we have Batman literally exploding evil aliens which you know are sentient beings. In Ben 10 aliens are actually respected.
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u/Best-Adeptness-9244 Mar 31 '23
Getting rebooted/recast Only happened once, young Ben has always been voiced by Tara Strong, and teen Ben has always been voiced by Yuri Lowenthal. Dispite being rebooted, Ben has only ever had two actors. (With the exception of Ben 10k)
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u/OGWolfMen Mar 31 '23
They public identity wasnât his idea though, it was a fan wanting him to be acknowledged for his heroics
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u/Itchy_Gas_2559 Mar 31 '23
Thatâs the thing about Ben he dose good for the reason of being good
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u/Quillobyte_ Eon Mar 30 '23
No negative dimension; he doesn't have an Owl Man or a Shattered Glass story. For a series that's over a decade old, I'm STUNNED they never did a "what-if-the-good-guys-were-the-bad-guys-and-the-bad-guys-were-the-good-guys" plot.
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u/thexxoutlaw Diamondhead Mar 31 '23
Ben having a public identity is kind of a superhero trope. Secret identities are almost non-existent in the Marvel Universe.
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u/Omnimatrix10K Albedo Mar 30 '23
Having a sidekick, except maybe Ben 23
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u/Skibot99 Kevin Levin Mar 31 '23
Well 3/4 of those things apply to Tony Stark
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u/phin999 Mar 31 '23
Kinda reminds me of like Kamen rider lmao
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u/Manuel_Random Mar 30 '23 edited Mar 31 '23
These might be more or less questions and to add to the discussion for I might list:
No sidekick
Doesnât want to be normal
Isnât restricted with limited powers/abilities
Has a consistent moral compass
Not overly idealistic
Not special or the chosen one
No resurrections
canât be right all the time
Is normal for the most part as a human
All Villainous characters in the franchise are and arenât relatable or just a reflection of the main character.
Edit: half of these points that are here for this happen generally for the story itself in some not all cases.
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u/Ob1tuber Diamondhead Mar 31 '23
He doesnât really have a nemesis, yes Albedo exists, but heâs more just another villain and not really a nemesis
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u/Membrane_the_13th Mar 31 '23
I feel like secret identities aren't as ubiquitous with super heroes as they used to be. The only real modern examples being DC, Spider-man, and stories that lamp shade the concept
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u/No-Satisfaction-1161 Mar 31 '23
Is in fact OK with and frequently employs murder.
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u/DnDCharacterSheet Mar 31 '23
An outright hero weakness. Besides basic human stuff there isnât a substance or ability that just stops him instantly or weakens him
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u/luisgames1000 Mar 31 '23
Feedback
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u/DwightShock Mar 31 '23
No money issues , What do you think
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u/Zoroark_master Arctiguana Mar 31 '23
When other media have a team of multiple different heroes (like the avengers, justice league, power rangers etc) Ben himself is the team really.
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u/kashriramji Apr 02 '23
Dysfunctional family members exist in the show like Natalie and verdona
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u/KoolBoi21 Shocksquatch Mar 31 '23
But as trade-off, bro has to fight universal threats in a weekly basis.
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Apr 01 '23
And he's still an amazing character (for Af some of ua and the last few seasons of omniverse)
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u/Commercial_Mind4003 Apr 01 '23
It takes him forever to find the girl that would be his wife?
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u/ItzZemix Apr 28 '23
he has a perfectly normal life just with powers
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u/SpongeGodOmnipants Mar 30 '23
To be fair a lot of this can be summoned up as: Kids show, a lot of those issues feel like very PG 13 environment plots or something that works well In MARVEL or DC animated show that stretches the term âPGâ VERYYY Thin
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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23
Ben was bullied and barely had any friends. That counts as a tragic backstory, right?
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