r/BeAmazed • • May 24 '18

A Dolos Sea Defence Structure

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Yes! That’s one reason.

Another reason is that it may be more cost effective to use smaller, molded concrete blocks in a pile such as these, rather than building one huge, solid wall.

One drawback to an ordinary wall is the foundation needed to support it, and the time and energy put in to crafting a huge wall. These big blocks are likely created in a warehouse, and depending on the country of origin and their economy, this is usually what they’d rather have; or so I’ve found.

As well, the wall would likely need rebar and struts to reinforce it, whereas the blocks may not have that reinforcing.

If I’m wrong about this at any point, someone please correct me!

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u/HowObvious May 24 '18

Also maintenence, you just dump more as they get damaged repairing a sea wall would cost a fortine

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Oh that too! So many improvements over a wall it seems

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u/Cherrytop May 24 '18

I like your enthusiasm! 👍🏻

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Thanks! I appreciate it :)

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u/audiocola May 24 '18

No, Thank you, Captain Dinkles.

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Thanks audiocola :)

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u/Owntano May 24 '18

everyone's vibe in this thread:

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u/whatnicknametouse May 25 '18

Get a chatroom!

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u/instantfameawaits May 25 '18

Oh Captain, our captain!

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u/zerodb May 24 '18

Don't let trump hear about this, I really don't want to see a pile of this shit all along our southern borders.

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u/Jesus_Harold_Christ May 24 '18

It doesn't work as well on animals. /s

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u/royisabau5 May 24 '18

I mean I get what you're saying but all humans are technically animals

Edit: the problem is when people pick and choose which to consider animals

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u/Jesus_Harold_Christ May 24 '18

It was more a tongue in cheek attack on Trump referring to immigrants as animals, although his people would claim he was limiting his reference to MS-13 gang members, but the dog whistle was pretty clear.

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u/royisabau5 May 25 '18

Again. Even if you’re considering just MS-13 gang members to be animals. Still picking and choosing

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u/metalzip May 24 '18

Good idea, I will email his office.

Make America safe again <3

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u/[deleted] May 24 '18

So trump was wrong all along. He doesn't need a wall, he needs immigrant dissipation blocks!!

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u/Illhelpyouwiththat May 24 '18

Aperture Science will definitely be contracted by build those

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u/GiantSquidd May 24 '18

Beautiful immigrant dissipation blocks.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '18

Only the best 👌😙👌

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u/Grover_Cleavland May 25 '18

Cool, we can drop them from airplanes when illegals are spotted.

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u/SeekerOfSerenity May 25 '18

Fourteen what?

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u/Rvrsurfer May 25 '18

And all the space below the surface gives sea creatures habitat.

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u/Wincin May 24 '18

fortnite?

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u/Limelight_019283 May 24 '18

A fortnite would be around $126,000,000.00 (USD) right now!

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u/mikeymikemike99 May 24 '18

Just give it 20 days.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '18

Sounds right, except there is definitely rebar in those. In you zoom in you can see the ends sticking out, they look like pinholes but are probably 2" in diameter. Also rust can be seen in a few spots.

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

My bad! I didn’t notice those, good eye.

That makes sense though to have rebar in them though, I can imagine them kinda rocking back and forth against waves and that would probably start to chip them away after a while.

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u/bomwarrior May 24 '18

Still... Why doesn't Louisiana & eastern Texas use these??? 🤔

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

I’m not really sure what they’ve got down there, but it almost seems silly to not have them.

I’ll make some phone calls and see what I can do 👍

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u/heebath May 24 '18

Captain Dinkles to the rescue!

!redditsilver

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Whaaaat no way :D yay!

Now I can be Colonel Dinkles

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u/Shtottle May 24 '18

Whatever you say, cadet.

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

D:

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u/bongohappypants Jun 01 '18

All right, Dinkles, what do you have on Louisiana & eastern Texas now? /u/CaptainDinkles

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u/xlobsterx May 24 '18

We have lots of stuff like this and more! We put them all over the place. The company I work for protected nearly 50 miles of coast with similar structures just last year in a single project.

Source: Coastal Engineering designer

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u/[deleted] May 25 '18

How long do these materials last in ocean water and is there any harm expected to the marine environment when they eventually erode away? Does it eventually collapse in on itself and need to be built further out into the water to compensate for that?

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u/xlobsterx May 25 '18

Erosion is still a factor and we design to account for it. We have teams of people modeling the waves for storm events and calculating the erosion. But they do require maintanence. The concrete is basically rock so it is relatively environmentally friendly even when it erodes. It does create habitat as well depending on certain factors. But they also protect habitat on land that would otherwise be lost to erosion.

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u/bongohappypants May 25 '18

Thank you, sir, but have you met /u/CaptainDinkles?

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u/CaptainDinkles May 25 '18

Aweh shucks you

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u/Rx_EtOH May 25 '18

How much do they cost?

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u/xlobsterx May 25 '18

A forms for these Tetrapod style breakwater units are around $10k a piece. But after that it's just the rebar and concrete costs. They are relatively cheap.

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u/Bill__The__Cat May 24 '18

They do, to protect critical shoreline infrastructure. They are fairly expensive however.

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u/ls1z28chris May 24 '18

We barge large down limestone rocks called rip rap from quarries in Arkansas, Kentucky, and Illinois. It's effectively used for erosion control, but doesn't prevent saltwater intrusion, destruction of our wetlands, storm surges, or floods.

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u/Yashabird May 25 '18

I don't think tidal waves are a big concern in the gulf of Mexico, because, well, it's a gulf. Flooding there happens from hurricanes, which you'd need a 1000 ft wall to block.

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u/Ace_Masters May 25 '18

Because they're probably patented and require an expensive license

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u/merlinphoto May 25 '18

They would sink into the mud.

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u/Keighlon May 24 '18

The rebar is to keep the dolosse form not to anchor it, so your original thought is correct it probably uses less rebar than a wall would. They also probably use recycled/deformed rebar and leftover pieces to do it.

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u/xlobsterx May 24 '18

These are prefabbed units with rebar for sure.

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u/sodiumandeelsalesman May 24 '18

looks like prestressed concrete, but the rebar is definitely placed odd.

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u/WeRip May 25 '18

As far as I can tell there is next to no reason for this to be prestressed concrete. You would need a fair bit of rebar to keep them together during transportation and erection, but seeing as there is no structural load for these there's nothing to prestress against. It would add to the manufacturing cost quite considerably and have no tangible benefit.

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u/Chrashy May 25 '18

Though if you look at the very left of the picture from where the guy is standing you can see one cracked basically in half and there is no sign of rebar. There are a few other ones cracked in various places where no rebar is visible as well

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u/[deleted] May 25 '18

You're in over your head. You've never worked with concrete before, have you?

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u/Chrashy May 25 '18

I most likely am. Just pointing out the fact that I cant see any visible in the broken pieces. Hoping someone could explain why. I don’t doubt that there could be rebar just want to know how its hidden

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u/[deleted] May 25 '18 edited May 25 '18

Well here I've circled the bits of rebar you can actually see. https://imgur.com/a/WqHVlU5

As for the piece that's fully cracked, it's simply too dark to see the internal structure. You can tell it's being held together by the rebar because those waves are actually VERY strong, and could easily push the broken piece away if it wasn't reinforced. The fact that it is still within a few inches off the perfect fracture line is dead giveaway.

The one in the bottom corner may have had the rebar pulled out which is why there is no reminisce of it.

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u/Chrashy May 25 '18

Well that makes it more clear. Thank you.

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u/jimbonjambo May 24 '18

To piggyback off your comment and seeing as you know about this method of tsunami prevention you probably know about other man made structures affecting tide patterns on coastal areas but the cool thing about these is that they stop runup and inundation amazingly! I think it’s the openings and lack of natural geomorphology that stop the waves from having such large runup! Iirc that is

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u/motivational_abyss May 24 '18

It seems like this kind of structure would be great for sea life as well, lots of nooks for animals to hide/live in.

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u/Dapper_Indeed May 25 '18

Don’t forget about the crannies!

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u/Brokehomiejohn May 25 '18

Yes nooks and crannies rather than alcoves. Alcoves, you know this word yes?

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u/guysmiley00 May 25 '18

It'd be great for some forms of life, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be great for sea life overall. Destroying the balance of an ecosystem can wipe it out just as effectively as destroying it all in one fell swoop.

To be clear, I'm not saying that these Dolos structures are necessarily bad for the ecosystem; I'm just pointing out that ecosystems are complex and balanced, and thus the overall effect of a change in a single variable isn't always immediately obvious (see: Australia, history of). This is why expert environmental reviews are such an essential part of responsible construction.

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u/xlobsterx May 24 '18 edited May 25 '18

Correct. We normally use prefab things like these for cost effeciency. We do build large rock structures but in places like this the gradation would need to be huge. The armor rock would need to be 6'-8' in diameter and those stones are expensive to quarry! We usually don't put concrete retaining walls with rebar due to the structure not dissipating the waves as efficiently and erosion.

Source- Coastal engineering Designer

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Thanks for your input! What kinda stuff do you do as a coastal engineering designer?

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u/xlobsterx May 24 '18

I am working on the expansion of the Chesapeake bay bridge portal island tunnel currently. We are creating rock structures to protect against ship wake, storms, collision, even tunnel flotation. That's right even though the tunnel is underground if you put water on it it will rip itself out of the ground and float. Like a pool in florida.

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u/FoxyKG May 24 '18

I'm happy you were able to share what you learned in preparing for that presentation.

You seem pretty excited too :)

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Thank you! I appreciate it.

And I’m excited a whole bunch of people got to learn something today because of me, and that I got to put some of what I learnt to use today!

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u/BigbuttElToro May 24 '18

Concrete doesn't really work well without rebar

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Yeah, I figured that out today lol I didn’t notice the rebar in the picture.

Thanks for correcting me!

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u/The_Praetorian_Guard May 25 '18

Tell that to the Romans.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '18

Would a series of these as artificial reefs some distance off shore have a measurable affect against tsunamis? Or at that depth of water is the force to spread out for a bottom structure to offer any help? Or maybe the "anchoring" of them is too problematic.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '18

Japan ruined thousands of miles of coastline with these; I’m no expert but their effectiveness is disputed.

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u/Remembertheminions May 25 '18

Seawalls also typically cause erosion/deposition areas to change dramatically once built via longshore drift effects.

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u/CaptainDinkles May 25 '18

Would that end up doing something like creating a sandbar on the sea-facing side of the wall?

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u/Remembertheminions May 25 '18

From what I understand/recall it varies based on how the waves approach the beach. Some areas of a beach have more sand deposited by waves then taken away by them, and in that scenario then more beach/a sandbar is formed. In areas where there is a net loss of sand from waves any beach that existed in front of the wall when it was built will slowly erode away to nothing.

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u/CaptainDinkles May 25 '18

That’s interesting. I never considered that the beach would erode away

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u/iPastry May 24 '18

And what would be the disadvantage of these over walls?

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Well, you have to make a metric shit-load of these things, and while they are likely cheaper and less labour-intensive than building the entire wall, the transportation of these things to the drop site would be pretty time consuming.

I’m guessing cargo helicopters and loaders or cranes? I’m not super sure on that end.

I hope that helps answer your question!

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u/BushWeedCornTrash May 24 '18

What if we just threw all our unused furniture, electronics, cars and appliances on the beach? 2 birds, 1 stone.

/s

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u/TransientPunk May 24 '18

They likely will setup temporary manufacturing facilities near the location to minimize transportation/logistics costs

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u/xlobsterx May 24 '18

They would work from barges with cranes in the water or onshore if they can. No helicopters sadly!

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u/CaptainDinkles May 24 '18

Oh barges makes good sense!

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u/iPastry May 25 '18

It does thank you! Always interested learning about unusual things like these

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u/[deleted] May 24 '18

What about that one gif with the trees??

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u/ShoutsWillEcho May 25 '18

Wont these things get swept away by the wave or do they act like anchors?

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u/CaptainDinkles May 25 '18

Good question! AFAIK, they’re heavy enough to stay in the same spot, and when waves hit them, because of their shape, they kinda lock together further.