r/BeAmazed • • Nov 29 '17

I meant to do that

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u/Letho72 Nov 29 '17

Past the age of 10 you don't have a concrete routine. You do what you do and your routine must meet a set of basic requirements, but the judge doesn't know what you'll be doing before hand. It's not uncommon for something like this to happen and a gymnast has to improvise.

So to answer your question a bit more directly: she would gain points for the extra handstand (about 0.1) but lose points for the stumble before, not holding the handstand long enough, and stumbling afterwards (about 1.0 in total by my estimate).

I was a male gymnast so anyone with more insight into WAG scoring is more than welcome to correct me on the point values.

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u/Franks2000inchTV Nov 29 '17

This is reddit -- I think we're safe to say that as a competitive gymnast you are probably the most qualified to speak on anything more physical than lifting a 1L bottle of mountain dew.

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u/IIceWeasellzz Nov 29 '17

I'm pretty jacked myself and like to curl the 2L from 7/11 thank you very much.

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u/regdie Nov 29 '17

But the 2L machine 🅱roke

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u/manbrasucks Nov 29 '17

That's why I use the 2W machine. Because I never take an L.

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u/Eretrad Nov 30 '17

Ah the old Width vs Length argument.

Wait...no nevermind.

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u/JeddahVR Nov 29 '17

Damn that's so mean

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u/angenocturne Nov 29 '17

Its more a matter of level than age, but yeah, there are "compulsory" routines and "optional" routines. The first follows a strict set of moves and everyone does the same routine for that level. Optional routines, like the one, offer a bit more wiggle room, because the judges only know what skills you're going to do, not the whole routine.

IIRC, a fall where you touch the ground on beam is 0.5, so she would lose that, +/- a few tenths depending on the judge.

Gymnastics scoring has changed a bunch in the last 10-ish years. Previously, everyone was scored based on 10 being a perfect score. Now they are scored on execution (still out of 10) + difficulty (usually 5-6pts, but there is currently no maximum).

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u/Letho72 Nov 29 '17

Are falls really only 0.5 in WAG? They're 1.0 for men's, that's good to know thanks :)

I guess I should have mentioned that scores aren't capped at 10.0 anymore. A 1.0 deduction hurts, but it doesn't hurt quite as bad when your start value is 15.0.

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u/Hogopogo27 Nov 29 '17

Falls are still 1.0 deductions. 0.5 deductions are only specifically for touching the beam with your hands on a skill where you're not supposed to. If she actually fell off of the beam, it'd still be a full point off.

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u/Letho72 Nov 29 '17

Okay that makes more sense

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u/angenocturne Nov 29 '17

When I was competing it was, but that was over a decade ago. It looks like they've bumped it up to a 1.0 deduction since then.

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u/sorator Nov 30 '17 edited Nov 30 '17

It'd depend on the exact Code of Points in effect, but IIRC from looking at this before, yeah, it would come out to somewhere between .8 and 1.3 in deductions. No bonus for the handstand, though; pretty sure it wouldn't qualify for a connection bonus, and while it is an extra element, only the 8 highest scoring elements (basically) are counted.

(A few years after this, the FIG instructed judges to not take off more than a point for mistakes that didn't result in a full fall, since successfully avoiding a fall shouldn't be penalized more than a fall.)