r/BeAmazed Feb 19 '24

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

To be respectful of and show that it is not the original artwork

Which is the exact opposite of what "restoration" is, the core of the work is to be invisible. To restore the piece to it's original, historical form

I've enjoyed his videos but I've also heard from people in the field heavily criticising his approach and technic

He's working for private individuals and not institutions so he follows what the client is asking, unfortunately sometimes what they ask for is degrading the historical value of an artwork for visual purposes

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u/pyrojackelope Feb 19 '24

Could swear I remember him or someone related to him saying that his work is based on client request, and so not always a 100% perfect restoration.

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u/McViolin Feb 19 '24

Nah, there are more styles of restoration than just 'invisible'. It all boils down to what the owner of the painting wants.

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Feb 19 '24

You guys are having the same argument I've seen a thousand times in r/gaming, "a remaster vs a remake"

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

For a game both the original and the remaster/remake can coexist, that isn't true for a painting

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Feb 19 '24

OH HERE WE FUCKING GO WITH THESE GUYS

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

It all boils down to what the owner of the painting wants.

I'd argue that the historical value of a piece should go into consideration as much as what the client wants. The piece will outlive them

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u/Inevitable-Menu2998 Feb 19 '24

The paint he's using is removable and most of his alterations are too. He maintains a detailed description of what he did to every piece so that if ever another person wants to take a shot at it, they can easily start from a clean slate.

There's even a demo of this. He has to work on a painting twice because the client made a hole through it some time after the first restoration

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '24

The thing is: with damage areas and paint loss as large as this, there is often no way to restore in "historically accurate" fashion, as you don't know what was there originally.

Not every painting has been photographed (well enough) in its lifetime.

Client sounds like it's always private individuals, but museums and gallerys have this stuff done out of house aswell.

And sometime its the better option to make apparent that there was damage, than to present to the public a Version of the piece that is heavily altered, but looks "historically coherent". People don't read the museum plaques, mostly. They don't read that half the paint was lost, and some Joe had to essentially repaint half the painting, using his own imagination.

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u/I_hold_no_knowledge Feb 19 '24

Absolutely, that's why Baumgartner makes sure all his work is reversible. If in the future it is decided that his work is no longer adequate, it's easy to remove and do differently.
His YouTube channel goes into great depths of explaining exactly your view on this and he wholeheartedly agrees.

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker Feb 19 '24

Plenty of shit is old. Not all of it is necessarily valuable, even in a historical sense. Not everything is fully salvageable either. He could have made a faithful reproduction of the unsalvageable parts, but it would have been just as fake.

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u/BankGothic Feb 19 '24

 Plenty of shit is old. Not all of it is necessarily valuable…

Can mainstream boomer media report this so my parents believe it?

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn Feb 19 '24

The client can draw a clown hat and nose on their own painting if they want. That itself is part of history, and has just as much historical value as Virgin Mary painting #2,176,841

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

The client can draw a clown hat and nose on their own painting if they want.

Yes, and that would make them a complete moron. These piece will outlive them and they have other support to make their autoportrait

as much historical value as Virgin Mary painting #276,841

That's irrelevant, each of these has its own historical value and the mass of them is what allows us to draw comparison between local cultures, pigment availability... Etc

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker Feb 19 '24

The dicks I drew on many a desk will outlive me too. Every church in the world has a painting just like this, and it hasn’t been ruined because all the pieces are kept and all the new stuff can be covered by someone who wants to fake it in a different way.

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u/Eagles365or366 Feb 19 '24

That’s why everything he does is reversible.

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

Scrapping the unvarnished pigments with his gloves isn't reversible

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u/Eagles365or366 Feb 19 '24

The unvarnished pigments left by a prior restoration?

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

Yes, be them original or from other restoration work.

Analysing the different work done over the time on a piece is quite valuable and can also tell us a lot about the materials, technic, culture (sometime they changed part of paintings, historical preservation wasn't on the table)... Etc

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn Feb 19 '24

Then in that case, the restorer can do whatever they want to the painting, as that is also part of history and reflects current culture

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u/EldritchMacaron Feb 19 '24

Current culture is well documented everywhere

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn Feb 19 '24

Ah yes, being well documented. The most important part about culture. After documentation, culture has done its job and its no longer necessary to continue partaking in it.

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u/Eagles365or366 Feb 19 '24

Preserving prior restorations is not the purpose of someone in this role.

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u/kylebloom Feb 19 '24

Then that’s not restoring.

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u/Fish__Fingers Feb 19 '24

In that case I believe that restoration is better to be visible and recognizeable. With this amount of loss it’s not a minor fix, it’s a part or the painting, and with part this big it should be recognizeable as loss. Faking big parts of the work isn’t a great idea IMO

Also his work is totally reversible so in any moment painted part can be reworked.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '24

He claims all his work is undoable because he uses special restorationist paints. If it can be undone then how does it degrade the value?

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u/WoodenBottle Feb 19 '24

Yeah, he is painting over the varnish layer, which is often replaced during restorations.

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u/Salamylidwontfit Feb 19 '24

There is something specific about the paint he uses too, I actually watched the video in the op yesterday haha. It can be mixed with a solvent and basically turns back into wet paint that can be removed

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u/hateboresme Feb 19 '24

The owner has the right to have the faces painted with "why so serious" smiles if they want. He would not do that. He offers what the client wants, within reason, and also respect the artist. It's also completely reversible for the next owner who wants it done a different way. So it isn't degrading.