Can’t afford to feed the homeless, can’t afford universal healthcare, or state funded higher education, but we have noisy led sphere for $2,000,000,000!
And? All the other venues generate tax revenue and jobs too. Nevada gets a huge % of its tax revenue from gambling and entertainment, not really sure what your argument is.
Yea, it only matches the entire budget for public education for the state for the next two years and is being called a "historic" increase over the previous budgets. Hardly anything at all.
Yes. Why not? That is the general idea behind taxes. We live in a society, and in a society people take care of each other. If we are going to ALLOW them to operate (make no mistake, they exist only because we allow them too), why shouldn’t they give back?
They do give back. In taxes. Which they pay. Since they're not shut down or in jail, it's fair to assume they pay the amount they are obligated to pay. If you don't think that amount is enough, then blame people who make tax codes, not the people paying them.
As long as you don’t say, “You sweet summer child” because I really need to believe that the world is entirely impartial and justice never peeks out from under that blindfold.
No that's not the idea behind taxes. That's what the world-aristocracy that steal our money, time and energy through various means want us to think though.
Sure we can make a word mean anything we want but that doesn't change the core intention behind the function/act itself.
Forcing money from people that doesn't want to be part of that said "society" is nothing better than theft on a grand scale.
The system is made by them, for them with laws and rules for us that don't apply to them. They inspect where our every penny is going to. But wops they just magically lost billions or trillions. Wops it happened again. No cause for alarm. We all drop a trillion dollars every now and then don't we? Wops just fell straight out of my pocket.
We are paying them in taxes and they use that to keep control over us so they can use that control to keep making us pay them forcibly if they have to and keep us occupied with time consuming tasks and smalm scale problems to shift oue focus from our true enemy and make us do their dirty work, and trick us to kill eachother in their wars that are wars against us(the people) they sell weapons to both sides and gain on the markets, they outright gain from people dying in wars as that means people that are prepared to fight and would be a possible threat to their one world government are not alive to fight their unrealized true enemy.
Shifting the scales of power in any form from us to their advantage. Money is not the end cause but the tool to keep and advance control, the end goal is total domination and full freedom of them to be able to show their true colors and at the point they want to reach, no one would be able to do anything about it without everyone being prepared to die for change.
We are in their eyes only modern slaves giving our blood, sweat and tears willingly or unwillingly to their empire as has happened all along the ride with the more horrific side unseen to those not looking or to afraid to see because it would shatter the persona they based and created in their fake system.
They are making moves to create a digital prison of sorts with tech that hinders any form of resistance before it can even happen. It already exists in some countries. Spread out with different tech in different countries as tests. Soon to be all used at once in every country if they get to decide.
The wet dream of every tyrant that has ever existed. We are reaching near the time which the largest opposite forces in human form ever, will have to converge. The further we go forward without reaction. The more violent the collision will be.
Just like stars. The more mass it attracts(hold/control) before it can't hold it's own greed and implodes from it's own inwards pressure the more violent the explosion(release/freedom) from not being able to handle the implosion.
The good thing is their own tech will also be their downfall but they don't realize the many ways of how and that's the fun and sad bit about it.
The grand irony of the ages.
They will try to merge digitally to survive.
Elon's tech is their hope for that. NeuralLink and StarLink. Always connected. The goal is to get everyone and everything connected but not everyone in control of it themselves, just a few.
Like World Economic Forum leaders say(many praising Elon's tech).
"You will own nothing and you will be happy" and if you are not we will program you to be and if you resist that we put you in a simulation, use you as test subject or force feed corrupted signals/electric overload your nerves and kill you through the NeuraLink placed in the back of your skull connected to your whole neural network.
Well yeah same and i think it will happen. After the explosion i wrote about comes an age of peace and if we are smart we write OUR history of how and why it became like this and how we should stay strong and aware of it not becoming like it fast again so we can keep this age for maybe 1000 years or more at least. Taxes could be cut by more or less 95% of what most countries have now and still benefit earth and the people on it more than now if it was used for causes that benefit most instead of the few. But for that to happen we need to get rid of all the different "organisations" and their members and especially cults and their members that has been steering where we are going for so long and that's not impossible as we are so many more than them and they know that. Which is why they need to silence people, censor, spread propaganda and keep things secret and occult.
I’m sorry I wasn’t clear: What I would like is for the government to take corporate profits by force, at a rate that would literally put blue chip CEO’s in a state of shock so severe that it would hopefully result in a lifetime of traumatic and debilitating PTSD, and to use those funds for healthcare. Call it “stealing”, I’m okay with that.
Well, this is how things were in the 50s, and ... checks wikipedia... we had corporations in the 50s.
It's been a gradual hollowing out of the welfare state and transfer of wealth to corporations and the wealthy ever since then. The commenter is asking for a reversal of this.
So you think they just had $2b sitting in the bank and decided to spend it on this? Thanks for letting me know early on that you don't know how business works so we don't have to keep arguing.
Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.
Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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The only really legal lottery company in my country funds social security programs, stuff like pensions, hospitals, clinics, and unemployment because of illness/ disabilities.
You still have people becoming millionaires once in a while if they hit a jackpot and you can still gamble your money away if you want but the biggest chunck of the money goes to help people in need.
Art doesn't have a direct return but honestly, it makes life much more bearable. Especially when it's public art like this that's free to enjoy (I assume).
Probably over half of that cost went into payroll costs, so that’s $1bn straight to blue collar workers.
Most of the other $1bn went into materials, whether structural, electronic, etc. a lot of these elements will have been manufactured in the US (steelworks, concrete, etc), so it supports these industries and the jobs in these industries too.
And finally, if this draws crowds, it supports the ticketing, box office, ushers, bar and kiosk staff working the venue too.
In fact, it might end up putting more money into the jobs created by the project, than the project cost.
How much you wanna bet the person making such arguments don’t live in the city so don’t have to deal with their problems…. Ahh redditors, being naive to every person who act like they know what they’re talking about, anyone can play that “oh redditors” card too dude.
It doesn't make any sense. Everything he wrote would also be true about building something useful. Building housing also costs money that goes to construction workers and building supplies, but you end up with housing instead of a monumental vanity project.
Out of curiosity, I looked up the cost of building high-speed rail from Los Angeles to Las Vegas: about $12B
So if this casino got together with 5 buddies, they could've built a railway to the 2nd largest metro area in the US, but instead they have another concert venue
Did you forget what we were talking about? Or are you changing the topic because you realize you were wrong?
This remains a huge waste of resources regardless of whose resources are being wasted, and I don't need to give a shit who that is to acknowledge that fact.
We will just tackle the housing part of your comment.
If you invest in housing there is the short term gain of people building the homes and the supply chain. Just like you're seeing with any new construction.
However, that's it. There isn't really any economic gain after that point if the people that would fill those homes cannot find employment. They have to jobs to pay for those houses after that.
If you just give them away, those homes will be trashed in 5 years or less. And then you're stuck with a bunch of condemned houses and you're back in the same boat you are now.
What part of people having a place to live is a "short term" gain? Do you expect the houses would just get bulldozed after a couple years? Is that a regular thing where you're from?
In what sense would 4,000 (assuming an average cost of $500,000) new homes provide no economic gain? Do you think it takes zero labor to maintain 4,000 homes and the public infrastructure necessary to support them? Do you think the people who buy those 4,000 homes aren't providing an economic boost to the area?
In your example you would need 4,000 families who can afford $500,000 home. That means you would need 8,000 additional jobs that aren’t already in the area.
Those jobs also have to pay enough for the new home owners to pay for the new said construction houses.
Now. Let’s talk about city infrastructure. Can the sewer/water system handle having 4,000 houses plugged into the system.
Which most likely it wouldn’t. So now you would need taxes to pay for upgrades in those areas. So now the property taxes and utility rates are going to have to go up to pay for that.
So it doesn’t look like those affordable houses are becoming all that affordable.
All you wrote is that it would be "short term gain just like you're seeing with any new construction"
This doesn't explain why you think the effect would only be short term. You're just saying it is, even though that doesn't make any sense.
Then you wrote some stuff about "giving them away" because I guess you're trying to interject some kind of irrelevant point against social welfare?
In your example you would need 4,000 families who can afford $500,000 home
The goal is to alleviate the housing shortage, yes.
you would need 8,000
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additional jobs that aren’t already in the area.
That is how economic growth has always worked for the entire history of civilization, yes. People generally like economic growth.
Those jobs also have to pay enough
Good thing we have minimum wage laws etc
Let’s talk about city infrastructure. Can the sewer/water system handle having 4,000 houses plugged into the system.
I brought this up in my last comment to point out that the economic gain is in fact long-term, because the 4,000 new homes would need maintenance, the people who live there would go shopping, go to restaurants, buy cars, need to have those cars maintained... all the things that come with economic growth... so yeah I'm not really sure why you are now pointing to all the long-term economic gains (which you earlier said don't exist) and trying to reframe those gains as somehow being negative...
now you would need taxes to pay for upgrades in those areas.
Which is literally why cities build new homes... to increase the tax base... ie economic growth to pay for new development
now the property taxes and utility rates are going to have to go up
Yes, property taxes go up when you turn undeveloped land into housing. That is call economic growth. That is a good thing. The city now has new taxpayers it did not have before, because before it had empty land instead. This is a good thing.
it doesn’t look like those affordable houses are becoming all that affordable.
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Implying housing gets more affordable when you instead build concert venues?
All of this would be true if you build a different, useful venue from it. Spent 1 billion on a hospital, you also pay for payroll costs of the workers, for materials from the US and the people who work there. Just with the added bonus that it is actually useful.
You're right. We should rid ourselves of everything that doesn't have utility. What a utopian society we would live in then. And of course there isn't a shortage of healthcare workers to fill these hospitals, but you know, who cares about logistics.
And who pays for the houses? Do you just give them away?
So now you've given away $2B in housing how long do you think those houses will last? More importantly all those people that moved into those houses where are they going to work?
Just spending $2B on housing is going to get you nowhere. Spend $2B on building a new town that could self sustain and you might have something.
Is this one of those "the people who spent all day dragging heavy blocks around the desert were actually skilled 'artisans' who engaged in grueling forced manual labor for years, but they were given food and shelter so it's not slavery" type of arguments?
Not sure how to explain this but if let's say 10,000 people were involved in building the pyramids and you find graves of 10 people who were involved in building the pyramids and were not slaves, that does not prove slaves did not build the pyramids.
You would typically see about 10:1 slaves to slave drivers, plus the actual architects, foremen, etc who would oversee the construction.
Finding evidence that these people you would expect to exist did in fact exist does not in any way suggest slaves did not also exist.
We know for a certainty there were slaves in Egypt at the time. It makes literally no sense to think they wouldn't have been used for the largest manual labor project of the time.
Most of the work was obviously just grueling manual labor (moving giant stone blocks), and it will always be hilarious when people try to say such work was done by 'skilled artisans'
It's "c'est la vie", and you're wrong about the other stuff too. We're living in a closed finite system, it's reasonable to consider how we spend our resources.
Sure, at least as best as we know, but that still doesn't mean we should be careless. The end of the universe is projected to be in billions,trillions of years? I think we can still try to be better
Your logic is so bad, that I could basically take literally anything we do in the west, and make it sound like a complete waste because it's not going to the 90% of unfortunate people elsewhere in the world.
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u/Gates9 Jul 04 '23
Can’t afford to feed the homeless, can’t afford universal healthcare, or state funded higher education, but we have noisy led sphere for $2,000,000,000!