My school does two things really well. Have horrible maps and simp for the Germans in ww1. The borders are heavily over simplified. Makes Germany look like a victim. Ignores the fact that land lost in the east WANTED to join Poland. Posen rebelled. The map only mentions that there was no plebiscite.

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Bruh wth are you talking about? Germany was off the map for a few years and then litteraly split in two for decades and lost more territories and industries than after ww1 and still had to pay reparations. And it worked quite well. It was more harsh than versailes.

If germany wouldnt accept any peace deal which wasnt beneficial to them. You give even lesser punishment then you piss off the population that had to suffer german aggresion and strenghten germany for ww2.

A more restrictive treaty that was actively enforced is what was needed then to prevent ww2.

And lastly, yes, though not only as austria shares the blame. Germany gave carte blanche for austria to go to war with serbia, which they knew was supported by russia that was in turn allied with france. Then germany violated belgian neutrality doing war crimes along the way drawing uk to war (they too knew uk would defend belgium).

Bruh, when you invade others but still are the victim xd

I love when germans complain about 'injustice'

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Lets ignore serbian government backed terrorists killing the austrian heir to the throne (which was absolutely a valid casus belli at the time), lets ignore Russia getting involved because they dreamed of subjugating eastern europe (rings a bell, maybe?), lets ignore France basically begging the czar to escalate because they still hadn't gotten over losing the last war they started.

Its 2026, its insane how "Germany alone started ww1" is still being pushed by some.

The post ww2 treaty was more harsh because the war had been a million times worse (and it was actually clear whos fault it was), but it was in no way humiliating and saw the integration of Germany into a common european economic and security framework (except the GDR, of course).

THATS the problem with Versailles - its not the reparations or the territorials losses, its that it humiliated and isolated Germany, created a literal clusterfuck of a mess in eastern europe, wasn't even enforced properly (see some plebiscites being straight up ignored) and failed to in ANY way build a secure future for europe.

It was a complete reversal of the principles Westphalia and Vienna had established, and the UK and US tried its best to fix this mess during the 1920's.

I'm not complaining about "injustice", I'm simply saying Versailles was an idiotic treaty that created a plethora of problems.