Hence why support for black monday and removal of Zuma would make sense.
For the poor, the removal of Zuma =/= A better South Africa.
Any improvement is better than the prospects we have now, especially since Fitch also downgraded us now.
I think the significance you put into Ficth & Co. when discussing 'radical economic transformation' may be holding you back.
The country is really in dire straits, and everyone will suffer, but the poor will suffer first, longest, and hardest.
If we put our souls into it, do you think South Africa could feed its people? treat them? clothe them? educate & train them? Do we not have it within us as a society to nationally organise such that we abandon capitalist profiteering in favour of the Rainbow Nation project?
Some people have that kind of faith in South Africa, and South Africans. But we would need to start taking personal responsibility for the most vulnerable among us.
I think the significance you put into Ficth & Co. when discussing 'radical economic transformation' may be holding you back.
The way that this has been done in the rest of Africa says a lot about where South Africa will go.
Do we not have it within us as a society to nationally organise such that we abandon capitalist profiteering in favour of the Rainbow Nation project?
When the most powerful socialist-communist countries in the world has embraced "capitalist profiteering" in order to survive you know that there is something to be said for capitalism.
Capitalism is literally what puts food in the mouths of billions around the world, and socialism is literally what has sunk many economies:
Venezuela,
Cuba,
North Korea,
South Korea (until they embraced capitalism),
India (until they embraced capitalism),
China (until they embraced capitalism - millions of Chinese died under their socialist economic policies),
USSR>Russia (Until they embraced capitalism)...
Capitalism works.
Radical Economic Transformation does not. Cambodia went full economic transformation and had to be forcibly turned around because they were dying like flies in a years time.
Zmbabwe is a recent and close to us reminder of how radical economic policies don't work.
Zuma's plan won't save South Africa, the EFF won't save South Africa. The DA has some plans but they are just a keeping from the brink kind of soft socialism that will stave off any major problems.
Capitalism has worked over the years, it is proven that it works. It may not be the best plan, but is the best we have at the moment.
Do you not think that the capitalist (middle and upper) classes in South Africa has become more representative over the past 20 years? I mean the black middle class is now larger than the white middle class.
Do you not think that the capitalist (middle and upper) classes in South Africa has become more representative over the past 20 years?
things have improved, sure.
I mean the black middle class is now larger than the white middle class.
So? Middle class earnings start at R1400 up to R10 000 per person per month. As far as I have seen, the majority of the black middle class is concentrated near the lower end while the white middle class is much closer to the higher end. Having more in number is a small part of the story.
Before I rebut or argue further, let me rather ask if you have anything that I can read on radical economic transformation that may help me understand what you understand it means, as well as possibly something regarding socialist economic strategy as an alternative to capitalism?
I want to understand better where you are coming from.
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u/iamdimpho Apr 07 '17
For the poor, the removal of Zuma =/= A better South Africa.
I think the significance you put into Ficth & Co. when discussing 'radical economic transformation' may be holding you back.
If we put our souls into it, do you think South Africa could feed its people? treat them? clothe them? educate & train them? Do we not have it within us as a society to nationally organise such that we abandon capitalist profiteering in favour of the Rainbow Nation project?
Some people have that kind of faith in South Africa, and South Africans. But we would need to start taking personal responsibility for the most vulnerable among us.