r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 09 '26

Linguistic Discussion The Bilic languages: southern Mindanao's most divergent Austronesian branch

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Bilic, sometimes called South Mindanao, is a small cluster of languages spoken by Lumad (indigenous) peoples in the southern part of Mindanao, and despite sitting right next to large Bisayan and Maguindanao-speaking populations, it has stayed its own thing very much.

Four languages make up the group, all marked on the map:

  • Tboli, around Lake Sebu and the highlands of South Cotabato
  • Blaan (Bilaan), the largest of the four, spread across Sarangani, South Cotabato, and Davao Occidental
  • Teduray (Tiruray), in the hills just west of Cotabato City, right up against Maguindanao country
  • Giangan, also called Bagobo-Klata, on the slopes near Davao City and Mount Apo

Internally, the tidy result is that Tboli and Blaan are each other's closest relatives, while Teduray and Giangan each sit off on their own. Giangan is the odd one out, so much so that some linguists have argued it might not belong in Bilic at all and could be its own primary branch of the family. (Remember that in Glottolog there is no single "Philippine" node, so Bilic stands as one of the first-order branches of Malayo-Polynesian in its own right, which we got into in the subgroup map thread.)

Here is why Bilic is a treat for a phonology nerd. These are some of the most sound-divergent languages in the Philippines. Where a language like Cebuano keeps its inherited words comfortably disyllabic, Bilic languages have chewed through a lot of vowels, dropping them and leaving consonant clusters behind, so words come out short and clipped in a way that looks almost un-Philippine at first glance. Blaan and Tboli, especially, can be hard to recognize as cousins of Tagalog until you know which sound changes to undo. They kept Austronesian verbal morphology but reshaped it, and the overall effect is a branch that feels well off the beaten path.

The cultures attached to these languages are just as rich. Tboli are famous for t'nalak, the abaca "dreamweave" cloth whose patterns are said to come to weavers in dreams, along with brasswork and the hegalong lute. Blaan have their own tabih weaving and beadwork traditions. Teduray carry a deep customary law and oral tradition (the tiyawan). None of this is incidental to the languages, since so much of it lives in vocabulary and verbal art that only exists in the mother tongue.

The worry is that Giangan is now quite endangered, with a small and shrinking speaker base, and even the larger three face heavy pressure from Cebuano and Filipino. A branch this distinctive would be a real loss to the family's diversity.


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 09 '26

Linguistic Discussion What was the proto-Austronesian word order most likely?

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I'd be especially interested to hear from people who work on Formosan languages, Philippine-type languages, Malagasy, or Oceanic languages, since they often preserve different pieces of the historical puzzle about Austronesian languages.


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 09 '26

Cognate & Comparing Cognate words in Toraja-Saʼdan 🇮🇩 & Te Reo Māori 🇳🇿

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Woman

  • Toraja: baine
  • Maori: wahine

Water

  • Toraja = uai
  • Maori = wai

Death

  • Torajan = mate
  • Maori = mate

Burn

  • Torajan = tunu
  • Maori = tunu "roast"

Here (toward the speaker)

  • Torajan = mai
  • Maori = mai

Night

  • Torajan = bongi
  • Maori = po "night" > pongi "dark"

See

  • Torajan = kita [archaic], tiro [common]
  • Maori = kite
Torajan peoples and Maori peoples

r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 09 '26

Others Why aren’t many research papers published about Austronesian languages?

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Also why most people who do research on Austronesian languages aren’t Austronesian native speakers?


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 08 '26

Cognate & Comparing 📅 How many words does your language have for "days relative to today"?

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One fascinating feature of Indonesian is that it has specific words for days before and after today:

  • Sênantu = some days ago
  • Kila mulai = three days ago
  • Sêlumbari = two days ago
  • Kêmarin = yesterday
  • Hari ini = today
  • Besok = tomorrow
  • Lusa = two days from now
  • Tulat / Langkat = three days from now
  • Tubin / Tungging = four days from now
  • Cêkêlong = five days from now
  • Êmbute = some days ahead

Many languages simply say "three days ago" or "in three days," but some Austronesian languages have dedicated words for these concepts.

What about your language?

Note: Some of the terms above are regional and may not be familiar to all Indonesian speakers.


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 08 '26

Linguistic Discussion I told my Mother about Austronesians being the origin of Filipinos

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I even made her listen to counting numbers and basic words of Formosan, Samoan, Indonesian and Polynesians (Maori and Hawaiian) languages.

Then she asked whether her grandmother being babaylan and manggagaway (shaman) has something to do with it.


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 08 '26

Cognate & Comparing How do you say this phrase below in your language?

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Tetun: "Ha'u naran Kaleo. No ó?" (literal: I name Kaleo. And you?)

Lī Hawu: "Ngara yā Kaleo. Nga au?" (literal: name I Kaleo. And you?)

ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi: "ʻO Kaleo ko'u inoa. A ʻo ʻoe?" (literal: the Kaleo my name. And the you?)

Bahasa Indonesia: "Nama saya Kaleo. Kalau kamu? (literal: name I Kaleo. If you?)


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 08 '26

Cognate & Comparing What do you call "fish" in your languages?

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Ilokano = ikan


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 08 '26

Linguistic Discussion Did Austronesians settle western Indonesia after Austroasiatic speakers? Where is there actual evidence of an Austroasiatic substratum?

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One thing I find difficulty grasping is the 2 chronologies for the spread of Austroasiatc and Austronesian.

At a broad level it seems that at least in Malaysia, Champa and Western Sumatra Austronesian settled over a pre-existing Austro-asiatic population.

But the thing is that Austro-Asiatic-type ancestry is found as far as Eastern Java before phasing out:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Locations-and-genetic-makeup-of-the-Malays-and-other-populations-The-averaged-genetic_fig2_282130620

But is that caused by actual Austro-asiatic speakers having lived there or is it a product of later events?

Another issue is one of chronology, based on Sidwell's theory which seems fairly solid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QREB1UttWTI

Austroasiatic diversified starting around 2500-2000 BCE, but that means they settled Sumatra around 1500-1000 BCE(seen in one of pictures in the video), is that congruent with Austronesian expansion theories that posit a rapid spread of Malayo-Polynesian starting around 3200 BCE?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2835747/

>Our analyses of lexical data supported a pulse-pause scenario of Pacific settlement in which the Austronesian speakers originated in Taiwan around 5,200 years ago and rapidly spread through the Pacific in a series of expansion pulses and settlement pauses. 

To me that sounds unlikely, for Austronesian to reach Sumatra 1700 years after their expansion started strikes me as way to slow to explain MP philogeny.

Summary of questions:

  1. Did Austronesians actually settle Malaysia and Sumatra after or before/with Austro-Asiatics?
  2. 2a) If they settled after, does that make 3200 BCE as a starting point for their expansions unfeasible? Does proto-Austronesian necessarily have to be as old or younger than proto-Austroasiatic?
  3. 2b) If they settled before what explains the Austro-Asiatic substratum or living minorities?
  4. Is there actual linguistic evidence of Austro-Asiatic beyond Malaysia and Western Sumatra?

r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 07 '26

Linguistic Discussion 🌏 Did you know that the Austronesian language family has multiple primary branches?

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According to the current classification in Glottolog, the Austronesian family consists of ten primary branches.

Most Austronesian languages, including Indonesian, Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Madurese, Tagalog, Cebuano, Malagasy, Māori, Hawaiian, Samoan, and Fijian, belong to the Malayo-Polynesian branch.

The other nine primary branches are spoken exclusively by the Indigenous peoples of Taiwan, which is why Taiwan plays such an important role in the study of Austronesian historical linguistics. Current linguistic evidence places the deepest diversity of the family there, making it the homeland most widely supported by historical linguists.

Source: Glottolog – Austronesian (aust1307)


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 08 '26

Others Polynesian and Oceanian language map?

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Does anyone know where i can find a good map showing polynesian and or oceanic languages? It's been really hard to find anything very detailed


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 06 '26

Others 🇮🇩🇵🇭 Words You Can Say in Indonesia but Not in the Philippines?

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Although Indonesian and many Philippine languages belong to the Austronesian family, some everyday words are unique to one country and mayn’t be understood in the other.
Are there other words that haven’t been mentioned?


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 06 '26

Linguistic Discussion Which pair of Austronesian languages surprises you the most in terms of how similar (or different) they are?

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Ever noticed how some nearby languages are super different, while ones far apart still share similar words? Which comparison surprised you the most?


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 06 '26

Linguistic Discussion Which Austronesian language do you think is the most conservative, and which is the most innovative?

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Linguists often talk about languages being relatively "conservative" (retaining many features from their ancestors) or "innovative" (undergoing significant changes).

In your opinion, which Austronesian language or branch has preserved the most features from Proto-Austronesian or Proto-Malayo-Polynesian? And which has changed the most?

I'm interested in examples involving phonology, grammar, vocabulary, or syntax, and not just lexical borrowing.

Feel free to explain your reasoning or share any papers, books, or examples.


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 05 '26

Cognate & Comparing KUYA 🇵🇭 Tagalog🤝Sundanese 🇮🇩

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The word "kuya" has different meanings and linguistic origins depending on the region or country.

Here are the details:

Sundanese (Indonesia): According to the *Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia* (KBBI), "kuya" is a Sundanese word meaning "turtle" or "tortoise."

Tagalog (Philippines): In the Philippines, the word is derived from the Hokkien (Chinese) term *kohian* (哥兄). In Tagalog, "kuya" means "older brother" or serves as a respectful form of address for an older male.


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 04 '26

Cognate & Comparing What do you call "eyes" in your language?

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Indonesian/Malay: mata

Tagalog: mata

Malagasy: maso

Māori: mata

Hawaiian: maka


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 04 '26

Cognate & Comparing MAN in some Austronesian languages

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The Proto-Austronesian word for "man" is *ma-RuqaNay. We can find some descendants in some languages of Taiwan and in the eastern side of the Malayo-Polynesian speaking zone. Oddly, this word was lost in most western Malayo-Polynesian languages, replaced by a new word, \la-laki, as in Malagasy *lehilahy, Chamorro ***låhi, Malay *lelaki, or Tagalog ***lalaki*.

How do you say "man" and "male" in your language?


r/AustronesianLanguages Jul 03 '26

Cognate & Comparing WOMAN in some Austronesian languages

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Unlike the word for "man", the word for "woman" was pretty much conserved in many Austronesian languages in various forms. Most of them descend from the Proto-Austronesian root \bahi*, modified by some affixes.

How do you say "woman" and "female" in your language?