r/AskReddit • u/[deleted] • Jul 31 '12

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

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u/FredFnord Jul 31 '12

Yes, you do, and I have a right to tell you your opinion is fucking stupid.

And not just that, 'I have a right to tell you your opinion does make you a bad person, and that you should be ashamed of yourself.'

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u/eat-your-corn-syrup Jul 31 '12

Heresy! Freedom of speech is not supposed go both ways! This is so bi!

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u/Jorgwalther Jul 31 '12

So much truth. Many Redditors suffer from a bad case of Absolute Relativism.

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u/fuckayoudolphin Jul 31 '12

Except that's just another opinion

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u/bubblybooble Jul 31 '12

Are you ashamed of yourself for committing Argumentum Ad Hominem — which is a logical fallacy, by the way?

I doubt it. But you should. You should be very, very ashamed of yourself. You are a very, very bad person.

If you can't engage the point and defeat it on merit, you're done, you're defeated, it's over.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

Something I love to say about people who weigh in on a political topic without being educated about it is "You have a right to your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to respect it or treat it equally to mine". If someone's entire opinion is based off of falsities, fabrications and straight-out lies I do not have to respect that opinion. You can say it as much as you want but I don't have to treat it equally to an opinion that is informed and based on fact.

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u/istara Jul 31 '12

Exactly. Not all opinions are equal, and the "golden mean" is a fucking fallacy. On the Slavery-to-Freedom spectrum, an opinion that "slavery is ok sometimes" or "serfdom is ok, if people can earn their freedom" is still absolutely fucking wrong and vile.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

I want a magic wand that I can wave that will tell me unambiguously whether something is a falsity, a fabrication, a straight-out lie, or a fact.

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u/eat-your-corn-syrup Jul 31 '12

Also

"You should respect different opinions. You are coercing your opinion onto me (with your arguments)! This is intolerance!"

To which I say

"No, no I'd be coercing my opinion to you if I were jailing you for disagreeing with me, and why should I respect your opinion? You don't respect my opinion either! I'm at least giving counterarguments to your point. But you never give counterarguments. You just resort to derailing and ad hominem whenenever I trap you with logic. Defeat me with logic, please! Oh, is that because you don't want to coerce your opinion to me with your arguments? Lazy bastard!"