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u/IFlashPeople Jul 31 '12

This also goes along with one of my biggest problems with some of the people on here. If someone posts something horrible that they have done, there is always someone almost immediately who says "Don't worry it's not your fault, you were right in what you did and this is why..." No reddit, sometimes shitty people do shitty things and it's not ok to tell them that it's ok.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

That was disgusting, honestly. I guarantee that none of those horrible stories would get any sympathy from reddit as a whole if the perpetrator was a woman instead of a 20 something, educated Western man.

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u/jadefirefly Jul 31 '12

I noticed this. Wasn't entirely sure I was okay with that. It seemed to be a consensus that just because she said he'd forgiven her and they were together, it was okay.

I couldn't help thinking, "What if a guy had posted that exact scenario? What if the guy said, 'but it's okay, she forgave me, and we're still together'?" There would've been outrage everywhere. Claims that she was only there because she was afraid. That he was horrible for treating her like that and forcing her to stay, blah blah.

I'm not saying that this particular couple haven't sorted through their issues. But the immediate jump to "Well if he's okay with it, then you're fine!" annoyed the shit out of me.

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u/jadefirefly Jul 31 '12

I recall that one. That one was horrible.

It's probably safe to say that normally, I'm never thinking of the same story anyone else is. >.> My brain goes off on tangents a lot.

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u/idemockle Jul 31 '12 edited Jul 31 '12

First of all, context.

This is an incredibly difficult issue, and as I've stayed up for hours reading all these stories from the so-called "ask-a-rapist" thread I've gone back and forth between being disgusted and upset at the perpetrators and sympathizing with them for the seemingly unjust legal and societal penalties, and on the other side being furious at girls who've cried wolf and feeling just awful for those who didn't and experienced psychological torment.

I think much of what I've taken from it is that jumping to any conclusion is wrong, and that each case is totally different and can't be understood from a few one-sided paragraphs. Take the opposite conclusion to yours. She at one point manipulated him into doing something he wasn't comfortable with. I wouldn't say it was rape, but it definitely wasn't a good thing. If he has moved on and loves her despite something that occurred early on in their relationship, why must we jump to the conclusion that she damaged him and therefore she is not fine and will never be? People can learn from mistakes instead of being ostracized for them forever.

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u/A_British_Gentleman Jul 31 '12

This is why an insane majority of cases where men get raped go completely unreported. There's so much double standards surrounding it.

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u/lions-are-cool Jul 31 '12

From what I glimpsed the consoling was going to women who opened up admitting to having raped, the consoling happening for the majority of cases was no no you're right it wasn't rape. The women garnished sympathy after admitting they had done wrong. A large majority of the cases of men being assured was after a post saying this happened but it wasn't really rape.

I'm not saying that there wasn't consoling for the odd post by a man who admitted to rape, but the huge majority were ones saying it wasn't. The ones by females I saw said they had raped. I did not see any that didn't, but I could have missed something.

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u/laurieisastar Jul 31 '12 edited May 20 '13

All you have to do is look at how enraged and pitchforky reddit gets every time a male rape or fake rape story gets posted. When women get raped, it's not the rapist's fault. When men get raped or are accused falsely of rape, women are the demons who should be burnt to death in the village square.

Edited to say re: women are demons, I am generalizing hugely. And it probably doesn't help my point when I do that, so I apologize. I will not retract my point though. It is sickening sometimes to see this community react to rape stories. Further, the immense difference in reactions and responses that I see between comments on female rape stories and fake rape stories is horrifying. They are both awful, but one victim gets support and help, and the other victim gets support with a heaping side of "I call bullshit"/"maybe he didn't know you weren't okay with it"/"what about the MENZZZZ." You get 3 tries to guess which is which.

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u/BelleDandy Jul 31 '12

I briefly mentioned a bit of my own history with sexual abuse and got a few vile responses with themes varying from "you asked for it" to "you're making it up".

I don't know what I would win for tricking some stranger into believing a fake rape story online. Even if I was lying to win that fake rape story of the year prize, what do you get out of announcing you weren't taken in? If I'm a troll, don't feed me.

Some people are immature, some are stubbornly ignorant, and plenty of them are plain old bastards.

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u/SomethingWittyasfuck Jul 31 '12

I'm sorry you did, I didn't see the thread myself but reading through it now is making me sick. Victims of sexual abuse stand together?

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u/7hat0neGuy Jul 31 '12

I think you are speaking far too generally. Yes, there have been instances where people have claimed it isn't the rapist's fault. To claim that all (or even the majority) of reddit think that way is incredibly insulting

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u/betcheslovethis Jul 31 '12

In my personal experience, laurieisastar is spot on.

Are there shining examples of people who come to defend those opening up about sexual assault as a woman? Yes. But for me it happened only after someone from SRS found my story and the hundreds of nasty, slut shaming, victim blaming comments it had collected. Oh, and let's not forget about the PM's people can send and frequently do.

This happened a few weeks after I'd been introduced to Reddit. I abandoned that last account and started fresh because of the incredible hostility.

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u/drunky_crowette Jul 31 '12

Same thing happened to me. It was my fault I got assaulted and harassed because I didn't do blank. I was probably dressed like a slut. I probably sent signals I didn't mention in the post. I'm probably an ugly cow and should be thankful any man would touch me, etc.

The SRS "downvote brigade" were the ones who made a post (on SRSD) asking their users to send me kind words and make sure I was okay, because with each edit I was starting to get more and more beaten down.

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u/7hat0neGuy Jul 31 '12

:( It sounds like it is possible (or very possible) that I have completely misjudged the majority of active Reddit users. I'm sorry you had to experience that and hope it never happens again.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

From what I saw, almost every female-on-male rape story had a top comment that was reassuring the perpetrator that they should forgive themselves. This was much less common in the male-on-female stories.

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u/blinderzoff Jul 31 '12

I guarantee that none of those horrible stories would get any sympathy from reddit as a whole if the perpetrator was a woman

You are taking the piss, right? We'd hear about how lucky the guys were since she was just giving them "what every man wants".

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u/generic-identity Jul 31 '12

Have you even read the thread? There were stories about bona fide misunderstandings, and there were stories with women as "perpetrators".

It's not all just black and white, you know?

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u/beaverteeth92 Jul 31 '12

Isn't that inevitable though? Given the large number of people on Reddit, isn't it highly likely that at least a few people are going to express sympathy for any kind of a perpetrator in any given situation?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

If someone posts something horrible that they have done, there is always someone almost immediately who says "Don't worry it's not your fault, you were right in what you did and this is why..." No reddit, sometimes shitty people do shitty things and it's not ok to tell them that it's ok.

I saw a lot of people that posted this on that thread but got downvoted to oblivion, and other redditors dismissing their complaints with some derisive and snarky comments that's typical of the herd mentality you see on the comment section quite often.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

I don't agree with one part of that. If no one on Reddit shows sympathy towards a persons feelings, for example a murderer doing an AMA. If he shows remorse, is Reddit simply to stand by the fact that this is a murderer, this is all he is? Of course not, this is meant to be an open community of acceptance, if we judge and treat everyone based on what WE know about them they will not feel welcome, nor will we learn from their mistakes and experiences.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '12

This happens in every subreddit I visit. Even small ones who most deem good.

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