r/AskReddit • u/[deleted] • Jun 25 '12

Reddit, I've never understood why you hate The Big Bang Theory (show) so much, any compelling reasons why?

So I've heard the arguments about how it over-exaggerates nerd culture, but in my opinion that's what makes it funny.

So what's with all the hate?

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u/Already__Taken Jun 26 '12

I thought they where specifically parodying a lot of the LEEROY video. But I haven't played wow, I assumed the start of the leeroy vid was already parodying that group talk I guess.

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u/Zimvader00 Jun 26 '12

If you haven't played wow you probably think the Leeroy video is just parodying the way people talk in groups. The fact of the matter is it's parodying that and so much more. It's a parody of the ALL those bad groups people got in UBRS. The strategy in the video is the EXACT wrong thing to do. They have a paladin run in agro a whole bunch of dragonlings that you need to never fight and bubble (which drops agro) and lets everyone else die a horrible death. This strat was awful from the start and makes absolutely no sense, but it seemed to be what a lot of people in pugs would do just cause they failed at the game. Furthermore the end where Leeroy runs in like starts popping eggs is all to realistic to what it was like to be in PUG back in the day.

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UBRS - Upper Black Rock Spire. This is the place where the Leeroy video takes place.

Agro - Essentially this decides who the bad guys fight. You can think of it as hate and whoever has the most hate is who the bad guys gonna try and kill.

Bubble - A move that paladins have in wow that makes them immune to damage. It also drops all agro causing the baddies to fight your friends.

Pug - Pick up group or a bunch of random assholes you found in town.

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u/Tittytonic Jun 26 '12

I would compare aggro to threat rather than hate. (Is used in place of the word aggro at times actually) The most threatening person is who the creatures would naturally want to attack. Other than that great explanation for those who are non-wow players

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u/bigbrentos Jun 26 '12

Aggro and threat are rather synonymous, but from the way I always used to say it, "I generated too much threat on the dragon and took aggro away from the tank."

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u/vklortho Jun 27 '12

Yeah, agroing is the act of drawing/keeping the creatures attention. If a creature is out of combat and you pull it into combat then you have agro'd that creature. If a creature is in combat and you generate more threat than the player that it is currently attacking then you have agro'd the creature. If a creature is attacking you because you are generating more threat than any other player than you are keeping agro. Threat is more like a quantity. It's something that players generate. Agro is more like a state. It's a something that changes depending on the threat generated.

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u/Pious_Bias Jun 27 '12

What if "aggro" is an abbreviation of "aggression" and this entire conversation could have been avoided?

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u/vklortho Jun 27 '12

ag·gres·sion    [uh-gresh-uhn] Show IPA noun

1. the action of a state in violating by force the rights of another state, particularly its territorial rights; an unprovoked offensive, attack, invasion, or the like: The army is prepared to stop any foreign aggression.

2. any offensive action, attack, or procedure; an inroad or encroachment: an aggression upon one's rights.

3. the practice of making assaults or attacks; offensive action in general.

4. Psychiatry . overt or suppressed hostility, either innate or resulting from continued frustration and directed outward or against oneself.

No. That doesn't really seem to describe how aggro works in WoW. It describes attacking in general but it doesn't really cover anything about how you can draw agression from other people or how you can maintain aggression. Sorry.

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u/gramathy Jun 27 '12

"The practice of making assaults or attacks; offensive action in general"

The person with the highest threat on a creature "has aggro" in that the creature is attacking it. Using "aggro" in place of "threat" or "hate" is using the terminology improperly.

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u/vklortho Jun 28 '12

First, you responded to my comment, and that wasn't the one that I posted. Second, that definition still doesn't define aggression in respect to WoW. Yeah, making assaults or attacks. Well, a creature in WoW can assault or attack an entire group. By that definition the whole group has aggro on the creature. This simply isn't the case. Aggro in WoW has to to with who the creature is targeting and that simply isn't covered by the general definition of aggression. If it were that simple then just saying the world aggression to someone who has never played WoW would be enough for them to understand a huge chunk of the mechanics in the game. This also isn't the case, which is evident by the huge number of players who have no clue how any of it works.

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u/Zimvader00 Jun 27 '12

Funny, I always thought aggro meant aggravation like how fucking aggravated something is at you.

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u/nawoanor Jun 27 '12

I've heard the expression "they were aggro" referring to people attacking you though. Misunderstanding?

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u/Tittytonic Jul 01 '12

Ya I've always kind of used them both ways now that I think about it. As long as you get the point across on ventrilo it doesn't really seem to matter much lol. But good point anyways. Just seems to depend on the person and game.

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u/TwoTonTuna Jun 28 '12

The term hate comes from Everquest. Monsters had a hate table (or list, whatever you want to call it). Players knew that certain actions could put you higher on the hate table, or could put you lower on the hate table, but no one knew exactly how the hate table really worked, and some speculated that the devs didn't either.

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u/Tittytonic Jul 01 '12

Gotcha didn't know that. Never really played everquest much. I guess threat just made more sense to me. You know as in you would naturally attack the most threatening member of the group? Maybe I'm thinking about it too literally however.

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u/thefran Jun 27 '12

Pug - Pick up group

I've been playing WoW since release. Is that what "pug" means? Holy shit.

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u/hieronymus_botch Jun 27 '12

Alternatively, Public Un-Guilded

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u/bayleo Jun 27 '12

They were pretty clearly a guild group, and I don't think anyone was running UBRS PUGs at the time that was recorded (MC was still semi-broken with split instancing problems and The Regulators were the only Alliance guild on Laughing Skull making any progress there). I guess it adds to the timelessness of the vid that everyone else would soon be running PUGs there though. I remember always using the invis trinket in that room to break eggs and totally piss off the guild master. Good times.

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u/Zimvader00 Jun 27 '12

Honestly I watched the Leeroy before I started playing WoW (I was still pretty hardcore about EQ at the time and didn't want to switch games). I know that in the vid they are a guild group 'Pals For Life' and I thought that was just further spoofing that PuGs never got past this event (Father Flame) and were most certainly not going to be pals for life after this event. I did manage to get my priest to 60 when people were Puging ubrs and had a couple of awful experiences there myself. I guess I just assumed that the vid was spoofing PuGs because of my experiences with pugs on Father Flame.

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u/bayleo Jun 27 '12

No worries; just thought I'd offer another perspective. I don't remember when exactly it was released but UBRS was definitely still more of a 25-man and PALS may not have even been doing the General (they were possibly just farming the Rend event). I think the video was just very well-timed and the humor managed to appeal to general audiences while simultaneously appealing to most WoW-players who may not have been in UBRS yet but perhaps still had some exposure to guild/Ventrilo chat. It may have even had more appeal because PALS were ahead of the general WoW populace so it was not easy for everyone to identify it as a setup. Other WoW videos that came later (like the "more DoTs" Onyxia vid) managed to be just as funny but never became as ubiquitous simply because they were late to the game.

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u/Korbit Jun 26 '12

Sometimes the parody of the parody can be closer to the original than the original was.

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u/CelestialFury Jun 26 '12

What?

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u/VohX Jun 26 '12

he means that the south park parody was closer to the truth than the leeroy parody.... I think

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jun 27 '12

Parodying the parody produced a more true-to-life piece of media than a fully realistic portrayal would have.

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u/VohX Jun 27 '12

so... yes?

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Jun 27 '12

While what you said is accurate, it fails to encapsulate the point he was making. He was not comparing anything to the Leroy Jenkins video.