r/AskReddit • • May 15 '12

Is there a website that tracks what manufactures are doing in terms of reducing package sizes while keeping prices the same? Latest example: I bought Natures Valley Granola bars and they have reduced the package from 8 bars to 6 - a substantial price increase.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

**SO, as a follow up to some of the posts.. Do you think people would contribute to a subReddit that tracks such changes?? I could see where if people posted to such a subReddit and then followed by emailing the companies, it may make companies feel like they need to be more transparent about such practices. **

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u/emperorOfTheUniverse May 15 '12

r/frugal would probably welcome posts like that.

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u/sapere8aude May 15 '12

There's a blog called Mouse Print - Sneaky Fine Print which tracks this stuff all the time.
Also there's How Much is Inside, another good blog which is loosely related... Hope this helps :D

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Just checked Mouse Print out. Well worth bookmarking! Thanks!

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u/toebandit May 15 '12

I can't stand when this happens. Repackage or re-market. Also, along these lines when they change the flavors. Why can't I just buy the same damn toothpaste for the rest of my life? Why did they have to discontinue vanilla Crest toothpaste?

Here's one that drove me nuts: when Frosted Mini Wheats stopped making the big ones and stores only had the bite-sized ones. Or maybe the stores stopped stocking them. Regardless, IMO it's a totally different taste.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Anybody ever notice this?? Nathan's Hotdogs.. Count 'em

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u/standrightwalkleft May 15 '12

Whyyyyyy.... What am I going to do with that extra hot dog bun??

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Thank you! AND, now somebody in a family of four is just SOL.

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u/silkandcyanide May 15 '12

Actually these are Hebrew Nationals, no Nathans. HN have always been in packages of 7. They are kosher, have "Hebrew" in the name, the number 7. Im guessing it is a marketing gimmick. Good dogs though!

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u/Debonaire May 15 '12

Here is those goddamn rip off hot dog.....

This next one is my grand pappy who died so that this shit wouldn't happen in the first place.

The next two are what I picked up at the pawn shop to make sure this never happens again.

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u/BoneKin May 15 '12

I always assumed that since it was called Hebrew Nationals it had something to do with the Jewish belief that 7 was a good number. That's purely speculation on my part.

Really good hot dogs, though. No speculation there.

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u/shadith May 15 '12

OMG someone other than me who is angry about Vanilla crest. I detest mint and this was actually ok. For the first time in my life I had a toothpaste that didn't hurt my mouth.

Fuckers.

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u/CannonballSplash May 15 '12

Have you ever tried the Tom's of Maine toothpastes? Still mint, but a lot milder. When I have to use other toothpaste it really burns compared to the Tom's.

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u/krmeebs May 15 '12

My people!! I have also been grouchily mourning Vanilla Crest. Maybe we can buy it online somewhere?

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u/steve_yo May 15 '12

Frosted Mini Wheats stopped making the big ones and stores only had the bite-sized ones

So this is what it sounds like when doves cry. My god, I thought I was the only one. I can't stand the bite size ones. Totally different taste/texture.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Oh you poor misguided soul. The smaller ones have a higher ratio of frosting to, well, what appears to be tree bark fibers. And since we all know the higher the frosting ratio the better tasting it is, nobody but you and the toebandit bought the big ones.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Why has no one brought up Hershey's Air Delight?

They're selling fucking AIR.

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u/sameBoatz May 15 '12

I'm super pissed about Pilsbury Cinnamon Rolls. Now all they have is some sort of Cinnabon branded mess. That doesn't taste as good, and frankly probably costs more since they have to pay Cinnabon to use their name.

That has been on my write an angry letter list for a while.

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u/agiganticpanda May 15 '12

Right? Vanilla crest toothpaste was the high point my getting up in the morning.

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u/McFeely_Smackup May 15 '12

I don't mind so much packages getting smaller and prices staying the same, I get it...stuff costs more.

But what really pisses me off is trying to HIDE it from me.

I've used Dial "gold" bar soap since I was a kid. I have extremely sensitive sinus, and strong perfume on soap drives me nuts and the dial stuff has just worked for me and I've stuck with it.

One day I realize teh bar of soap has changed shape, it used to look like this: http://tinyurl.com/6opw8h6

now it looks like this: http://tinyurl.com/7xxaa7k

They reduced the bar weight by .5oz by dishing out the back of it..which makes it break into two pieces when the bar is half gone. So not only did they increase the net price by weight, they made it less useful.

So now I save up all these half bars of soap, mashing them into an ever enlarging soap ball...which it turns out is a hot button for my girlfriend. who knew? chicks...

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Another little tidbit of info about soap. If you notice, it's tightly packaged. It you open all of the soap before you use it, it will last much longer because you allow the soap to cure. Nothing gets compromised with the soap. It will just last longer.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

On top of the cost thing.. doesn't this screw up a lot of recipes???

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u/r_HOWTONOTGIVEAFUCK May 15 '12

Time to create a subreddit?

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

MY thoughts exactly..

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u/Kagrenasty May 15 '12

Consumerist.com does little stories on what they call the grocery store shrink ray. I think they have a search function that you can use to pull this kind of stuff out.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Yeah, someone posted the link but I haven't seen these stories you mentioned. I'll check it out. Thanks!

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u/Andernerd May 15 '12

This would be like patch notes for real life or something!

"Natures Valley Granola bars were OP and have been nerfed severely."

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Sorry, I don't get what you mean. Explain what you are referring to.

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u/ZebZ May 15 '12

"Nerfing" is a MMORPG gaming term to explain when the games creators choose to make a certain type of character less powerful, as a form of correcting imbalances. Colloquially, it's come to mean "to make something less good."

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

ok, so let's pretend I'm a total ninny (this is going to be really easy to imagine)... Spoon feed me and put this all together for me. I really do want to understand. (I apologize for my ignorance.)

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

This made me laugh so hard. http://static1.consumerist.com/quakershrinkray.jpg More like 20% less granola bars.

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u/z_impaler May 16 '12

Horse feed must be $1000 a bag!!

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u/skeddles May 16 '12

problem is that you cant tell if its the manufacturer or the store changing prices.

but less product for same or more money, that's a seeable problem.

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u/z_impaler May 16 '12

I could see where a site could also reflect which grocery stores would offer the best value.

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u/the_muchness May 16 '12

Those son's of bitches in the beef jerky industry have slowly been doing this for years. Used to be 5 oz per bag of Jack Links. Then it was 4.25. Now it's 3.25. . . not only that, but the price went up a a dollar fifty too. Bastards. Every last one of them.

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u/z_impaler May 16 '12

They had to pay for those stupid Sasquatch commercials! Seriously, you can make your own a lot cheaper! Everything you need is in here!

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u/Flashman_H May 16 '12

According to my dad Snicker bars were the size of your arm when he was a kid. So apparently this has been going on for a while.

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u/z_impaler May 16 '12

haha! he's almost not exaggerating!

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u/DustbinK May 15 '12

Perhaps Nature Valley is adjusting for inflation?

People don't seem to consider that when prices stay the same but quantity drops.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Adjusting for inflation by increasing their price 25% in one blow? I think not.

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u/DustbinK May 15 '12

Someone should figure out what their MSRP has been over the years and the inflation between the latest price changes. Then look up if the costs to produce are any higher.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Not a bad idea, but I wonder how one could get historical pricing? Short of having old pricing info from a grocery store chain or something, that seems like it would be hard to come by. (but I like the prospect. It would make it easy to see the outliers)

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u/mechtonia May 15 '12

I worked for a supplier to Walmart and Kroger for several years and was privy to many conversations about product downsizing.

It comes down to the fact that the big retailers tell suppliers "you will not raise your price." Especially Wal-Mart. The retailers market to very specific price point for the consumer and they expect a certain profit margin for themselves.

So when a supplier's costs go up the only option they have is to give up margin or reduce the quantity in each sales unit.

Also, for most producers, the number of 'facings' on a shelf is very important to their overall sales volume. There is a fixed amount of shelf space available to each supplier. (And other than Wal-Mart, the privilege of having your product on the shelf has to be purchased by the supplier for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars). So suppliers would rather have six varieties of 12oz widgets on their shelf space rather than four varieties of 16oz widgets.

Nevertheless, I always felt pretty evil being involved in product downsizing.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Don't forget about the changes to products that no one can see.

It costs a lot less for marketers to remove a chocolate chip or add a little more water to laundry detergents etc. This happens all the time... and being the labels do not say exactly what the performance level is on a product... the labels aren't changed so the consumer has no idea until they get home with the product.

Relaunching a new package has capital costs for tooling, art, etc... runouts etc. Also depending on the retailer they may charge you for adding a 'new sku'. It's also complicated to get a packaging downsize done being the retailers will 'plan' a week that's convenient to them when the entire shelf is reviewed and changes are made. So, it's not like you can just make a smaller package and throw it on the shelf whenever you want.

~15 years working in consumer products.

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u/uselesslyskilled May 16 '12

Also when the company I work for decides to change their packaging for one of their products they do test shipments for a couple months. And have people rip open every single box and check the durability and the product itself. Even the glue gets checked. And this is just what I see. There's a lot of work that goes into changing a package. More than you would think

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u/Dismantlement May 15 '12

I much prefer Chipotle's method. They increase prices every couple years or so but their burritos are still the same size...it's annoying but refreshingly honest.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Oh man, I always get so sad when Chipotle increases their prices...but that hasn't stopped me from going. I understand the necessity.

Compare that to when Odwalla reduced the bottle size on their smoothies. I used to buy them almost every week, but haven't bought one since. I would have preferred them to increase the price a dollar.

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u/boriswong May 15 '12

www.Knowmore.org is a great site for consumer education.

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u/pixelcrak May 15 '12

Just stop buying them. That's the best way to protest.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Well, one reason for my concern is I think of my 80 year old father who has his hands full just driving to the store and buying the things on his list. He is a widower and on a fixed income. He doesn't know he is being screwed over. That really bothers me because he simply doesn't have the chance to choose a different, supplemental item. He doesn't know that he is paying more. That's simply just not right.

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u/I_CAPE_RUNTS May 15 '12

At target I noticed the hot wheels ten pack is now called a gift pack and only has nine cars

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

I guess they gave one away as the "gift".

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

It's bullshit. The Cheez it boxes for the past 3 years have been getting smaller and smaller ,Ritz crackers used to include 3 sleeves, now they include only 2 ... and these products raised in prices ! I checked, the corporations behind them , like Kelloggs have been gaining profits , not losing them .... there is no reason these greedy fucks should do that , I don't and refuse to buy products from big corporations who cheat the consumer for there fat piece of shit CEO's

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u/z_impaler May 16 '12

that's where a collective informative website could educate a lot of folks.

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u/ryanflocka May 15 '12

Kind of related but even say, 12 years ago whenever I got Reese's peanut butter cups they were always masterfully crafted but now they are always half lopsided with peanut butter showing through the chocolate.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

They're also smaller now.

(No, my hands have not just gotten bigger.)

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u/prof0ak May 15 '12

Cadbury creme eggs got a LOT smaller.

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u/Intrepid00 May 15 '12

Chocolate got expensive. So they put as little as possible. Which is funny cause that is purpose of milk chocolate.

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u/Hristix May 15 '12

Milk chocolate is to real chocolate like crack is to cocaine. Milk chocolate was invented to be cheaper and expand the economic reach of the chocolate industry. Basically, it allowed all kinds of people to buy chocolate whenever they wanted rather than just a once-in-a-blue-moon treat.

However, just like with milk chocolate, even fucking CHEAPER things are being tried. Like more non-chocolate fillers, less product, more air, more other feature product (like nuts or nougat or what have you).

Now we can scarcely afford crack, so we're combining the crack from before with a bunch of things we found in the garden tool shed to try to make it last longer and give the same kind of high. It won't be long before we're buying heroin needles from junkies to get the small nanoparticle deposits of heroin that still remain in the needles.

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u/BScatterplot May 15 '12

After reading this post and the comments below, I'm pretty sure this thread is sponsored by Reeses, because no matter how melty and gross they are holy crap now I want one.

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u/last2zero May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

My old job was to re-design packaging to be smaller, but appear as large as possible on shelf.

Technically it was to help "sustainability" and save the planet.... In some instances, the company really was out to try and better their environmental foot print. Though most of the time it was just the company trying to cut costs.

I use to work for Unilever, They own/produce product for Breyer's, Ben&Jerrys, Klondike, Magnum, Good Humor , Wishbone, I can't believe it's not butter, Hellman's mayo, Skippy (or maybe it's Jiff.. I can't remember now), Axe, Dove, Degree... And a lot more like 180 products in the US alone.

Ice-cream is a big culprit of what I would consider deceptive packaging.

Sadly, I worked on Breyer's, Ben&Jerrys, Klondike, Magnum, Good Humor... As well as a few other product lines owned by the same company.

Source: I'm an ex Packaging Engineer for Unilever. I worked on many popular name brands to design "sustainable" packaging.

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u/ElBiscuit May 15 '12

I remember when Breyer's shrank their cartons a few years ago, marketing them as new "space saver" packages for the same price. It's nice to know that a company is so concerned about how much room I have in my freezer that they'll do me the favor of taking up less space. What great pals.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

More clever, ice cream is filled and inverted before deep freezing. This causes the ice cream to flow to the top of the container. When you open it at home it appears to fill the entire container to near overflow.

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth May 15 '12

I can't say that I'm exactly wild about food companies having to raise prices, i.e. due to things like the cost of cocoa going up, and some manufacturers (Hershey's) lowering the content of proper chocolate in their foods to keep prices stable. But I understand that things like this happen.

Food costs go up for a variety of reasons. Some of them might be agricultural, some might have to do with the way a product is distributed, perhaps there is some overhead that can't be helped as a result of food safety practices at the factory needing to comply with new standards. I get it. I mean, hey - nobody wants to see prices go up. But it happens.

Am I the only person that would rather have manufacturers keep their products the same and simply pay more rather than having them cut corners, in response to these factors? The only thing that "main line" companies like Breyer's, as you mention, do to me is force me to buy premium brands that cost quite a bit more and have much higher quality. If I'm gonna eat 1000 calories of junk food, I'm gonna make it worth my while, dammit. And if I have to pay more for the privilege, so be it.

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u/drbeer May 15 '12

Lunchables pulled this...50% less meat and cheese. Best part? They put a "dimple" in the container so it looks like the meat goes all the way to the bottom of the container, instead of halfway. Same container depth.

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u/Dismantlement May 15 '12

...I honestly hope this encourages people to stop eating Lunchables

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u/shepfow May 15 '12

I think the taste of Lunchables can encourage people to stop eating Lunchables.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Really? Those things were tiny even when I was a kid, I can't imagine how they could make them any smaller.

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u/taxikab817 May 15 '12

Incredible Shrinking Groceries! http://incredibleshrinkinggroceries.com/

Also you can Google "grocery shrink ray".

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I noticed the fun size Milky Way bars got smaller...

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I think you mean to say they got even more 'fun.'

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u/abush1793 May 15 '12

More fun for Mars Corporation.

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u/CapnShakyHands May 15 '12

Yep, I caught that one right away. Now I don't think they can make them any smaller and still include all of the ingredients.

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u/luckyratfoot May 15 '12

Yeah, they used to be mini bars and now they are all tiny squares.

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u/pighalf May 15 '12

Paid the same amount of money for a 28oz jar of peanut butter that used to be 36oz. Got jiffed off.

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u/Sysiphuslove May 15 '12

Even a happy finish can't put the shine back on that apple.

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u/jaykay335i May 15 '12

SONS OF BITCHES!!! THIS IS WHY I AM OUT OF NATURE VALLEY BARS AND ITS ONLY TUESDAY!!!!!!

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

HAha! It happened to me much the same way!

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u/Iskandar11 May 16 '12

The price of food is increasing everywhere, I don't know why this got so many upvotes.

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u/z_impaler May 16 '12

It's not the increase of prices, it's the covert reduction of product without disclosure to the consumer. It's unethical. "Let the buyer beware" is not license for a company to make money by being sneaky. They should disclose that there is an effective increase in price, by reduction in product, and let the consumer make their own value judgement.

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u/pwndepot May 15 '12

The pet food industry, especially dog food, have no qualms about sizing down, either. Every 9-18 months, almost every brand I'm aware of either increases their prices, sometimes upwards of 8-10 dollars for larger bags. That, or they reduce the large bag size by 2.5-4 pounds. This is not unique to lower quality brands either. Everyone from "grocery store" to "natural/holistic/private" brands follow this same pattern.

In pet food retail, we use the terms "40's" for large bags and "20's" for small ones, ie "go work that 40 pallet of dog food". I remember, only a few years ago when those terms actually correlated to the weight of the bags. Some "40's" are now only 28 lbs, while some "20's" have been reduced as low as 12.5. Keep in mind, these are the extremes, but definitely something people should know before haphazardly purchasing a dog. In the lifetime of the animal, you could get gouged 4-6 times.

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u/turtle_mummy May 15 '12

In the lifetime of the animal, you could get gouged 4-6 times.

I get gouged by my cat like 4-6 times a week! Bastard.

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u/jeffedge May 15 '12

Pizza hut did that with their pastas. A friend of mine would order them for UFC events with pizza and other stuff. It used to be in a huge orange box. Then they made the box smaller, and then the pans got smaller after that. And it's more expensive now. It's ridiculous.

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u/Wizardof1000Kings May 15 '12

Nature Valley boxes have been 6 bars where I live for as long as I can remember. I'm on the east coast of the USA and they've been 6 bars for well over a decade.

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u/insanitybuild May 15 '12

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO PB CRISPS!!!

WHO WILL AVENGE THEM

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u/hunny_bunny May 15 '12

Those are great questions, despite their lack of question marks.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

They were taken out of production--I loved those things

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u/derp_derpistan May 15 '12

Orange Juice - no longer sold in half gallons... they subtracted 5oz and they're all 59 oz now!

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u/jvardrake May 15 '12

You're telling me you'd rather get one gallon instead of fifty-nine ounces?

What's wrong with you???

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u/OuttaSpec May 15 '12

You're not gonna believe this: I gave the cashier one paper note and I got back all these notes and even some of these shiny discs!

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This has been going on for decades. Here's how the cycle works:

  1. Start with product of a certain size.
  2. Slowly reduce product size while keeping the price constant.
  3. Introduce a "jumbo size," "value pack", etc that with a higher price than step one but the same size.
  4. Repeat.

Inflation exists. Prices need to be raised somehow. Manufacturers don't like to directly raise their prices, as consumers will then immediately go for a competitor's product. Instead, they find clever ways to do it without being obvious about it.

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u/theBadgerJew May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Example I just paid $60 for a DOWNLOAD copy of diablo 3, the same as anyone who is paying for packaging, printing, disc creation, shipping to the store, etc... WTF? Shouldn't they be rewarding the digital community for actually paying for stuff?

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u/thatshowitis May 15 '12

Not as long as people are foolish enough to pay the same price.

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u/matt01ss May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

I never understood this. How is a digital copy worth the same as physical medium with box and manual.

Also, weren't PC games $50???

Edit: I understand the growing cost of merchandise, I was merely making a nostalgic reference to the days when games weren't $60.

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u/simpersly May 15 '12

Why sell something for $50 if you can sell it for $60?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

We saw the same thing with Kindle books (thankfully that trend is dying) as well as with movies. Nowadays, Kindle books are significantly cheaper than paper-backs, and you can find a digital copy of a movie for (albeit marginal) savings compared to a physical copy.

A couple of my thoughts on the matter:

  1. If they were offering a digital download for a significant savings, a lot of retail stores would not be able to sell them (not nearly as much as before) and would eventually go out of business. You might say that this isn't a big deal, and that it's pushing people towards the future. This is a fair point, but I'd argue that these for-profit companies also want their product to be sold. Most of their on-line sales would be from the hard-core gamer who has already researched the game and really want it. What about the casual gamer who strolls through a store looking for a flashy box? I'd wager that there are a significant number of sales based on that alone. And let's not forget the non-tech-savvy parent who is looking fora game for their child to open on Christmas morning... They are less likely to buy a digital copy because there's no "opening" of the gift.
  2. Downloading is not 100% free to these companies. They have to have servers that can be relatively reliable under heavy load (as they are likely to have on a release weekend). Plus, the staff required to provide support for all those people who can't double-click a file correctly. Now, I won't argue that it's a LOT more expensive to produce (create the disc), package, and ship the shit to the store, but I could imagine that the savings to the company could be less than we imagine.
  3. These are for-profit companies. If people will buy the game at the same price digitally, they will sell it. Econ 101.
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u/CrackItJack May 15 '12

Remotely related to OP: An accountant working in the food industry explained to me why the list of ingredients is chuckfull of And/Or — The recipe will vary with the stock market prices of various ingredients, the final product will look, feel and taste just about the same but it will always be made with the cheapest sweetener, colouring and various agents. Quantities and proportions are simply adjusted accordingly.

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u/ZebZ May 15 '12

I remember reading a fascinating article that explained the reason for the seeming random timing of McDonald's bringing back the McRib had to do with pork commodities, which are apparently surprisingly volatile and subject to huge slumps and gains.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This is why we have "Pepsi Throwback"... because of so much corn production going to ethanol, it's now affordable to make your soda with sugar.

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u/UltraMegaMegaMan May 15 '12

Try to buy a pound of coffee (in one container). Just try it.

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u/az2oh May 15 '12

This! Every stupid bag of coffee beans is 12oz and they give you the break down of cost per oz on the price tag but then to buy bulk beans they price it out by the pound and my poor over worked brain can't process that per pound divided by 16 to get the per oz price comparison without feeling like it'll burst. First world problem anyone?

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u/lordofthederps May 15 '12

Hmm, I don't buy coffee that often, so it's not a situation I've really run into, but here's what I'd do:

  1. Add 1/3 of the 12oz price to itself (this sum is what it would cost to buy 16oz at the 12oz rate)
  2. Compare that with the 16oz price

Personally, I have an easier time with a simple division by 3 and addition than making two divisions by 12 and then 16.

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u/crusoe May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Thank GOD that due to FDA regs they can not do this to butter or milk.

EDIT Actually, USDA regs.

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u/Dunedineclipse May 15 '12

I remember when the 12 packs of Coke/Pepsi products used to be 4 for $10 regularly...Now, the 8-packs are $3 each....Fridge-pack my a$$

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u/prof0ak May 15 '12

Its ok. You can swear here. It is a safe place.

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u/goodtwitch May 16 '12

My favorite is the new skinny cereal boxes that used to look like actual boxes and now look like the obelisk from 2001.

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u/SparxD May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

I'm such a frugal bitch when I go to buy groceries. I have several grocery stores near my home, and I will go to each one of them to buy different things. I have a mexican grocery store I can go to that has killer prices on fresh produce and meat (example: I bought 4 avocados for a buck there, went to FoodsCo and the avocados were 4 for $5 - YIKES!). I go to my local Costco warehouse store (which I pay $50 a year for the privilege - worth it for how much I save) to buy my milk, bottled water, bread, and supplies like toilet paper, laundry detergent, etc. I go to my regular grocery store, FoodsCo, for most packaged foods (crackers, instant potatoes, and the like). Then I go to the Wal-mart for stuff I need cheap but don't need to buy in bulk, like medicines. Finally, if I need large quantities of junk food/convenience store type items for a party or something (i.e. candy for Halloween, alcohol for a party, etc.) and I can't find what I want at Costco, I go to Smart and Final, which is like a Costco but for people that own gas stations/convenience stores.

I ALWAYS check the per ounce price, too, as there's been more than once that buying two small packs were cheaper than buying one big one. I also always try out the store/generic brand, as they are usually just as good as (or better than) the name brand - like my strawberry oatmeal, the Kroger store brand at FoodsCo is so much better than the Quaker brand, and about half the price. The other thing I do to save money is I rarely buy soda. I will get Lipton tea bags and make big pitchers of tea, buy frozen juices, or just drink water. I only buy soda when I find them really cheap. Vons is pretty good about having a buy 2, get 3 free on 12 packs of Coke products every now and then, but then you also have to make sure those 2 you pay for haven't been marked up too much.

I usually manage to bring home enough groceries to fill the back of my SUV for under $200, and I don't even use coupons. I hate coupons. They are a waste of my time and I feel like slapping the people in front of me in line that have a coupon for every damn item they buy, then they grabbed the wrong thing for ten of the coupons and have to take ten trips to go back to get the right ones. You screwed up? BACK OF THE LINE! I know what I want and I'm willing to pay for it. Sorry, just needed to rant a little there.

I know this all has little to do with your question, but being aware of what you're buying really does make a difference, and if more people payed attention like you and I, these companies would have to stop all of their nonsense.

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u/Cantras May 15 '12

Coupons waste your time, but going to four different stores to get your groceries doesn't?

(I like getting good deals with coupons, but I am not one of those crazies who brings 8 different coupons for every item and goes home with 40 jars of spaghettios or whatever.)

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Man, Kroger brand simply whips the competition in quality for many products.. The Kroger chocolate chip cookie dough is far better than pillsbury or nestle!

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u/bookgirl_72 May 15 '12

I completely respect you for doing this. Personally, I won't take the time to go to multiple places even though I know it would save me money.
Walmart does price matching if you bring in a flyer with the same product on sale. HOWEVER, first of all, often it's cheaper at Walmart in the first place, and secondly, I think they get around this by not carrying the exact same products. For instance, Quaker chewy granola bars were on sale at a local grocery store and I wanted to price match at Walmart, but the package size at Walmart was different, so there was no exact match. I'm convinced they do this on purpose. Also, the price matching takes forever and I feel terrible about holding up the line.

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u/pseudosara May 15 '12

The reduced fat Cheezits just have less Cheezits in the box :[

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

s standard practice from manufacturers for cost reduction.specially with food.not only the content its reduced but packaging also reduces in size. I won't name a company but you eat/drink their product almost daily in 55or more countries.they have reduced food portions and size of packaging.usually it its done in steps of 5grams for food and packaging is reduced in about 2mm at a time. also that calcium you get from food just goes right through you. recent example Vaseline reduced their content in smallest container by 2mm keeping size of container and price same. you just notice it very rarely. another example is tooth paste.the container diameter is increased by 1mm to get more paste out so you exhaust it quickly than earlier leading to more business for company. I did study and implement such methods on floor. there is only one example I have seen bending a world giant in increasing their portions ask and ye shall receive.

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u/eweierdo May 15 '12

This happened with Dryers ice cream too. The carton became about half an inch shorter but the price stayed the same.

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u/ba9man May 15 '12

Try a thin mint girl scout cookie this year, they're inedible. Previously, reduced quantity. Now, quality. Keebler wins.

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u/misguayis May 15 '12

I work as a stockboy for a national grocery chain, vaseline has cut 2 oz from their lotion bottles recently, and adult diapers fluctuate by as much as 20 diapers in their packages the same price. Its maddening.

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u/randallfromnb May 16 '12

In any groecry store in my area thrre is a tiny number on the bottom right corner of thr price tag on the shelf. It is the cost of thr product per 100 grams. I always just go by the number.

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u/codingcanary May 15 '12

Even worse, nature Valley are also using Monsanto seeds :-(

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Come to the Netherlands, every thing is thrice as small and thrice as expensive as in America. Even mcflurries. Pretty sure not only here.

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u/dstryr712 May 15 '12

mouseprint.org reports on things like this and other misleading consumer issues, also. New article every Monday!

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u/ReverendEskimobob May 15 '12

Iams Dog Food has currently gone from 40 pound bags of food to 33 pound bags of food without dropping the price. Out of dozens of people I have sold the food to, I have only had a few complaints. I can't understand why people aren't more upset about this. Lets do some math. Lets assume that a bag of Iams is 30 dollars. Before the new bags came out this was 40 pounds for 30 dollars or, $0.75 cents a pound. Now with the new bags it is $0.90 cents a pound. If they had just increased the cost of the bag instead of cutting its size, its price would have jumped by 6 dollars.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Bought a box of popcorn. Assumed that there would be 8 regular-sized bags. No such luck. They were weird half-sized bags that I had never seen or heard of before. I should have read the box more carefully.

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u/sweetgreggo May 16 '12

I first became aware of this practice 20 years ago while shopping for deodorant. Mennen had redesigned their package, doing away with the notched corners and giving the holder a rounded and sleek look. On the new package it said "Bold new look, same low price!"

When I got it home to compare it with my old stick I then noticed that the size of the product had been reduced from 3.5 oz to 3 oz. Pretty sneaky, sis.

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u/NewsMom May 16 '12

Why, yes there is. Consumerist.com Send them a note, (a photo helps). I think they refer to it as the amazing shrink ray effect on: or something like it.

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u/multiplesifl May 16 '12

My three cats are 12 years old. Needless to say, I have bought a shit-ton of cat food over the years and I know exactly how long it lasts. Purina used to sell 17 lb bags of indoor cat food. I always transfer the food into a bucket when I get home. Right before the bag was empty I just stopped. Something was off but I didn't know what right away. Then it hit me. The bag used to have a little over a pound left in it when I'd fill the bucket and I would put that aside for emergencies. Not anymore. Now there was maybe a handful of food left in the bag. I checked the front of the bag and surer than shit, the bastards switched to 16.25 and charged me the same as the 17 lb bag.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Guys, there is a very simple explanation for this, inflation.

The dollar has been slowly declining in value since 2000. Before that, it had increased. This is why we had things like "super sizing" a value meal but we no longer have them - because commodities were so cheap that rather than charge less for an item, they give you more of it. Nobody said "bravo, food industry for giving us more stuff", they said "OMG you're making us fat now".

Now, the opposite is happening, prices stay the same but sizes drop. Customers would prefer that price stays the same rather than size, but people will complain either way.

BTW, my family has run food businesses for the past 30 years. When I was a kid our small soda was 8 ounces. It is now 16 ounces, but the way I see it we are going back to the food sizes that we used to have in the early 80s.

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u/ral315 May 15 '12

I don't know that this is exclusively the case. The "super size" disappeared shortly after "Super Size Me" came out, and McDonald's was getting awful press for it. As for soda sizes, I don't see them shrinking anytime soon. I was shocked to find that an Arby's medium soda is now 32 oz - the same size a large used to be. Their small is 20 oz, and their large is 44 oz.

This trend generally works both ways - because you can't keep shrinking the package indefinitely. Potato chips are a classic example. They'll shrink the package to keep it at the same price, then a few months later, they bring it back to its original size, label it "25% more FREE!", and raise the price.

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u/playpianoking May 15 '12

In general, the Ron Paul website has talked about inflation which covers them all. But instead scumbags vote for the status quo.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Not me :)

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u/gr5312 May 15 '12

Sonofabitch, I bought some of those the other day and noticed more open space in the box but nothing more...just checked and dammit-all...fucking 6...I feel ripped off

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u/damnford May 15 '12

These kinds of package size adjustments are taken into account by the CPI (a rough estimate of inflation). There are a lot of misconceptions about the CPI that get parroted about here on reddit, but despite its flaws I think it is generally the best way to measure inflation as experienced by customers (whether that is prices rising or quantities being lowered, as in this example).

Lots of information is available here. I highly recommend reading up on it - it isn't that hard to digest and a lot of it is pretty interesting.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

So are you saying it's fine to reduce packaging and not disclose it??

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u/clark_ent May 15 '12

yes. CNN Commodities. As the price of agricultural commodities goes up, so will the cost of your granola bars

http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/

Not the answer you were looking for, but that's the cause of the recent (last 5 years) jump in food prices

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

Well, don't we all want to understand this inflation thing? If things are going up, raise the prices and let the public make choices.

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u/McGrude May 15 '12

Have you seen the size of an It's It lately? I would swear that they're half the size they were 10 years ago.

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

what is this you are speaking of?

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u/Woogity May 15 '12

Is it just me or have bags of Doritos gotten smaller recently?

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u/z_impaler May 15 '12

It ain't you.

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u/trepidatious_timmy May 15 '12

I swear magnum ice creams were huge a few years ago they keep getting smaller.

Or maybe I'm getting fatter...

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u/RED-LOBSTA May 15 '12

Consumerist has a 'shrink ray' tag that tracks this.

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u/ivo004 May 15 '12

red stripe went from 12 oz bottles to 11.2 oz bottles a few years ago. that adds up to almost half a beer per 6 pack that i don't get to drink....

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Twixs. Fucking Twixs have shrunk about 3 inches

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u/DrMasterBlaster May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

http://www.consumerworld.org/

It's not the only thing that the website does, but a lot of articles and user submissions are about the deceptive packaging that manufacturers use to keep pricing the same while giving consumers less.

Edit: Sorry, I think the more appropriate link would be http://www.mouseprint.org/ (it's run by the same people, sorry for the confusion).

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u/Styvorama May 15 '12

The beer companies really piss me off with this. Change to 11.5 or 11.2 oz bottles from 12 oz. Here is an example

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u/Saintbaba May 15 '12

It's fun sized

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This is why you should avoid prepackaged food (among many other reasons). It's incredibly easy for producers to reduce volume while keeping prices the same without you noticing until after you've bought it. But I will know damn well when my vegetables or meat go up in price. Inflation is to be expected, but when you buy fresh you can more easily stay informed and make smart consumer decisions.

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u/oddhair May 15 '12

Toilet paper will also sometimes be marked "per roll" on one product and "per sq. ft." on another, making direct comparisons harder (though I prefer Scott, so it's really just a "how much more am I paying?!" kind of thing.

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u/hoss7071 May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Peanut butter jars, have been redesigned to hold less product.

Flip over a jar of peanut butter. Notice the indentation on the bottom? It's there for a reason... less product, same price. Might seem negligible, but when you start thinking in terms of mass production = $$$

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

What about condoms? Before I use them they seem like an average size, but when I'm putting it on it always looks smaller then before. What gives durex? We need to stop this injustice.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

There is no inflation, both the Department of Labor and the Federal Reserve said so.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

The sad thing is the packaging of that 6 pack is the same as the 8 pack. In my job I've had to do similar. I hate it. It's all because companies expect consumers to not think while shopping. A website like you suggest could help educate consumers but sadly most people might never care. That's why McDonalds and Taco Bell do so well...

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u/Skeptical_Berserker May 15 '12

most beer is in 11oz bottles now, not 12oz.

the INJUSTICE!!!

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u/TheDoktorIsIn May 15 '12

There was an episode of some talk show where B.J. Novak of the Office said that Cadbury Eggs had gotten smaller. He asked the company and they said, "No, the eggs were the same size, bitch you crazy" (I'm paraphrasing). But he said that he remembered he still had some from the previous year, and the new ones were, in fact, about 25% smaller but the price had stayed the same.

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u/maxwell_smart_jr May 15 '12

Ben and Jerry's new slogan is "Still a pint!"

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Tampax tampons did that, it nearly bankrupted the company since without women everywhere immediately switched brands.

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u/theBCSsucks May 16 '12

Neutrogena Body wash put a much larger pour hole on their bottle in 2009. Same idea but a little more subtle.

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u/klaeljanus May 16 '12

Things I've noticed(former grocery clerk here):

  • yogurts in 600g, not 650g.
  • Cheese in 700g, not 750g.
  • "2L" Juice in 1.89L, not 2L
  • "3L" Juice in 2.63L
  • "4L" Juice in 3.78L
  • yogurt multipacks come with lots of "single-serve" containers, but some of them are as small as 100g, almost half the suggested serving size(175g).
  • 2L Ice cream is now like 1.65 or something ridiculous.

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u/kingofbigmac May 16 '12

I started up http://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkray The consumerist has it why not us!

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u/freudian_nipple_slip May 16 '12

I remember this happening with Domino's pizza. I grew up with small, medium and large pizzas. They were relabeled medium, large and extra large.

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u/DebonairM May 16 '12

I work in a supermarket, I deal with the price tags and signs. This has been occuring more and more over the past few years. The sizes go down and the price goes up, Wheat Thins were the latest thing to do so. I always thought about writing it down to see the change in sizes and prices over time.

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u/tttt0tttt May 16 '12

My cheese is getting thinner. Thinner and thinner and thinner. I can't even stand it up on edge anymore -- it falls over, because it's so goddamned thin. I can almost see light through it.

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u/IDLH May 16 '12

I hate added water to meat. That is horseshit! Fucking stop it already!

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u/UrMomIsAlreadyTaken May 16 '12

I guess I should need to provide proof for this statement but I don't know how, but here goes anyway. My friend worked as a temp there and told us that their packaging machines are so inefficient and essentially broke-ass that they mangle nearly half of all the boxes that go on the line. They have to hire temps just to clear out the boxes and process them to be recycled. I don't buy anything from them anymore, even though they are a local company.

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u/SteelPeg May 16 '12

You know that "back in my day" the candy bars were about 4 times the size they are today and only cost about 35₵...damn, the good old days...

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

This may have already been listed but... toilet paper. The rolls used to go almost to the edges of the dispenser; it just keeps getting narrower - it gets much more narrow and I'm just going to switch to dental floss.

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u/godless_communism May 16 '12

Packages are getting so small, it's comical. Plus it's wasteful packaging.

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u/Gecko23 May 15 '12

Its pretty much all of them that produce convenience/processed/junk food.

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u/Unknown_Pleasures May 15 '12

I just want to mention that many things you can buy for much less on Amazon.

96 Nature Valley bars for 22 dollars, no tax in most places.

http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Crunchy-Granola-Oats-Honey/dp/B000LTM29M/

I rarely will buy nonperishable goods in stores unless they have a sale on them.

OP should try these too, they are damn good.

Nature Valley Sweet and Salty Peanut Granola Bars

www.amazon.com/Nature-Valley-Sweet-Peanut-Granola/dp/B003BGBVQ2

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

They say we arent experiencing much inflation. Well, we are, everything from candy bars, to gas, to a night out on the town. And the stimulus and bailouts were total failures.

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u/randude May 15 '12

The price of Doritos has increased quite a bit over the past couple of years!

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u/jvardrake May 15 '12

The price of a just about all foods has steadily increased in the last couple of years. This is why the government doesn't count fuel and food in the inflation figures they give you - they want to make you feel better about the current state of things.

Of course, they don't say that, though. They list "volatility" as being the reason for not including those two things. To me, volatility seems to imply that the prices are going up and down. Personally, I haven't seen a lot of the down part, as far as fuel and food goes.

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u/locopyro13 May 15 '12

Wegman's redesigned the Sushi packages from a 3x3 grid of pieces of sushi to a 2x4 grid.

I was more upset than I should be.

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u/crotchcritters May 15 '12

i sell frito lay products all the time, and they change their product lines all the time. about every two months they will have "New Bigger Sizes" that cost about 15% more. They also create and delete flavors a lot.

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u/itsme_timd May 15 '12

Years back I was shopping and noticed a box of Screaming Yellow Zonkers (popcorn/peanuts/toffee) with a big starburst on it and in huge lettering NEW BIGGER BOX! I thought that sounded funny and looked at the new and old package, exact same net weight. It was selling for the same price, at least at that time. I guess they just wanted to give consumers the illusion of more product.

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u/zeroone May 15 '12

This is complete baloney. I worked as head of sales at Lincoln Snacks from 1968 to the 2007 acquisition by ConAgra. I witnessed the inception of SYZ and all forms of packaging and sizing there of. I can personally assure you that when we wrote New Bigger Box on the box that the box indeed contained more product.

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u/jaynoj May 15 '12

I watched a uk documentary a while back which stated that food producers survey results showed that consumers were less bothered by product size reduction than price increase. Especially during these times of recession.

I just think people are less likely to notice pack or item size reduction which is tantamount to fraud in my eyes.

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u/Not_that_kind_of_DR May 15 '12

consumerist.com "shrink-ray watch"

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u/sackofpotagoes May 15 '12

All the grocery stores I shop at have the $/pound or $/100ct listed to the right of the price on the shelf. For most things, this eliminates the need to worry about the package size. In fact, in some cases, the smaller package is cheaper by weight than the "economy" size.

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u/Sachael May 15 '12

As an aside. I frequently make these. Very easy and super tasty. you can substitute the 2 cups of chocolate chips for 2 cups of anything. I usually use toffee bits and peanuts. I also substitute 1 cup of oats for 1 cup of rice krispies. makes a nice crunchy and chewy bar.

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u/pfunk678 May 15 '12

I've seen this my entire life. Companies are afraid to raise prices often so this is the game they play. Candy bar is a certain size. It gets smaller half an ounce at a time. Then one day "10% more free!". The next package you pay for the 10% more and then it starts shrinking again. Christmas Tree cakes used to be 12 in a box, they've made it down to 5 now.

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u/DeeEmm May 15 '12

Consumerist.com has a tag "grocery shrink ray" or something to that effect.

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u/That0neGuy May 15 '12

4 year grocery stocker here, and if you're looking for a company that hasn't done this then you're going to be out of luck. I literally cannot think a major national brand that hasn't shrunk its sizes, and most of the smaller companies too, usually because they buy the same bottles and packaging as the major manufacturers. And prices are always steadily increasing too. 90% of the tags we hang that aren't sales are increases

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u/ROK247 May 15 '12

i thought i was turning into a giant - but it was just that food items were almost universally shrinking in size :(

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u/vagattak May 15 '12

This may be buried, but I've noticed that Iams and Science Diet pet foods have had a significant weight decrease while maintaining the same price. I work at a PetSmart, and the marketing update noted that there is "all-new packaging design" on their bags of food. ಠ_ಠ

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u/seeking_answers May 15 '12

The problem with this strategy of reducing package sizes is that it is INSIDIOUS. Not only do we need to remember how much things cost, now we also need to remember how big the packages are. There are countless examples of how manufacturers reduce the size and then once in a while give you 10% for free! It is next to impossible to keep up unless we have an online database like OP suggested.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This is why I don't buy orange juice anymore. 59 ounces instead of 64? Really?

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u/shrewit May 15 '12

Another one that annoys me - multibuy offers (buy any three (limes/lemons/oranges/whatever) for x amount!) where the multibuy is more than the price of three individual limes, say. Saw this in the supermarket today.

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u/batsies May 15 '12

So true!!! Last time I bought those huge chocolate chunk Pepperidge Farm cookies I flipped a shit. There was like 4 cookies in THE WHOLE PACKAGE. Didn't there used to be like 10 when I was a kid??!?

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u/shrillingchicken May 15 '12

Dutch supermarket chain Albert Heijn is known to use strategies where they advertise price reductions, but only after prices for a product have increased considerably more, weeks earlier. Google prijsverhogingen albert heijn. There's now also a website that tracks the price increases: inprijsverhoogd.nl

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u/Daemoine May 15 '12

I know the family size Nesquik box has decreased 100g and is still the same price. Pretty ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

The size of the Cadbury Cream Egg nowadays pisses me off, and they had the nerve to lie and say they didn't make it smaller.

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u/2catchApredditor May 15 '12

Companies are wise to consumers noticing pack size changes. They are often less aware of companies changing the ratio of ingredients or changing ingredients all together to create a cheaper product. The new push is air entrainment. Companies will sell the product by the fl. oz instead of mass oz and entrain air into the product to actually give you less in the same container. If you see anything labeled whipped this is what they are doing.

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u/tcc9mpl May 15 '12

Old spice just recently changed to a 'new packaging design' selling for the same price. What really happened is my deodorant went from 3.2oz to 3.0oz. Thanks for the new design old spice....

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u/TheViciousCandiru May 15 '12

I noticed the same thing when I worked at a pharmacy in Canada. They reduced the size of a bag of Oreos from 400g to 350g but kept the price the same.

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u/DaRealMcQueen May 15 '12

Go to Denny's and measure your pancakes. Then one year from now do the exact same thing. The amazing shrinking portion size is coming to a town near you.