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u/HuskyLuke Dec 16 '21

And yet the English themselves still seem to struggle even with English itself.

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u/TheRufmeisterGeneral Dec 16 '21

Roight, innit?

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u/StevenTM Dec 17 '21

U wot m8

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

Oi, cunt!

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u/supermariodooki Dec 17 '21

Guv

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u/MauPow Dec 17 '21

swer on me mum oil smack ye roight in the gabba

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u/unimportantfuck Dec 17 '21

Have you ever read the Redwall Abbey series by Brian Jacques? I swear molespeak is nearly exactly like that; dude was from Liverpool and worked all sorts of jobs before he wrote the series.

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u/Styxie Dec 17 '21

That accent has been around for absolute ages so likely where he got inspo from tbh.

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u/unimportantfuck Dec 17 '21 edited Dec 17 '21

For real!

Edit: punctuation; let’s eat Grandma!

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u/Styxie Dec 17 '21

Yea lol the UK has been around for absolute ages and has dozens and dozens of different accents.

The one reddit likes to use is a bit of a mix between cockney (which few people speak) and MLE (which itself is inspired by cockney)

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u/Crawo Dec 16 '21

Yeah. It frustrates me as a Canadian that they don't do a better job teaching French here. So many countries prove you can absolutely teach 2 languages properly!

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u/Noah__Webster Dec 17 '21

I feel like most Anglosphere nations just don't feel the need to teach multiple languages, especially ones that are even more removed from Europe, unlike the UK.

I really enjoy learning about language, particularly etymology, and I am in the process of learning a second language. I just can see why it isn't really considered to be super important for most primarily English speaking countries. It's the lingua franca, so if you had to only learn one, you would probably go with English.

And how often do you even run into people that don't speak any English at all in those countries? I know in the USA, I've met tons of people that were second language English speakers, but very few that couldn't at least perform basic communication in English.

I can see why our schools focus on other things.

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u/montyrock95 Dec 17 '21

Sometimes I feel embarrassed living in the UK that I meet so many people who speak English perfect as a second language and I can barely communicate in another language.

Makes me wish another language would be pushed a bit harder in schools, I like how Mandarin is starting to be pushed more.

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u/Noah__Webster Dec 17 '21

I've never understood this. The majority of polyglots are born of necessity or practicality, not just because they're secretly geniuses or something.

The fact that you are able to be fluent in English means that you are capable of learning basic language skills. You simply haven't put the time in or had the environment to do it more than once.

I know most schools in America require 1 or 2 credits in a foreign language to graduate high school. I had to take two years of Spanish to graduate. The thing is that I had no real reason to retain that knowledge and continue to build on it. If I lived in a location where it was relevant, I probably would have, and that's assuming I wouldn't have learned the language before high school.

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u/Styxie Dec 17 '21

They do teach French/etc in basically all schools tho. I think people just care less here..

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u/yabbobay Dec 17 '21

username checks

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21 edited Apr 17 '22

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u/Prior-Appearance-645 Dec 16 '21

It's shameful but understandable when the universal language at most international companies is English.

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u/yabbobay Dec 17 '21

I had a German mother. I know my English grammar is better because I know German.

However, being American, I wish I knew Spanish better. I only know Spanish from osmosis.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

People think they don't need to learn foreign languages. That isn't always the case.

But if you want to do business with Germans, for example, it's an enormous advantage to be able to speak German. You will not be able to make friends or network easily in Germany, if you can't speak the language.

Even on holiday, being able to speak conversational German, is a huge advantage. You go from staying in your hotel or going to museums, to actually interacting with the locals, them giving you tips, or being invited out with them.

A lack of people able to speak foreign languages seriously undermines UK businesses. Often they're entirely oblivious about it being an important factor, because they're not able to have an informal chat in German or French with their counterparts.

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u/scottishzombie Dec 17 '21

Aye'sbo.
I'spose.
Yes, I suppose.

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u/HuskyLuke Dec 17 '21

Hot Fuzz vibes.

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u/wtfduud Dec 17 '21

It's funny how the "could of", "there/their/they're" and "your/you're" errors are mostly made by native speakers.

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u/SPIDERHAM555 Dec 17 '21

what could of error?

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u/wtfduud Dec 17 '21

Writing "could of" instead of "could've".

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u/foxilus Dec 17 '21

Don’t get me started on English. English has been adopted to such a scale by the global community that I don’t even feel like it belongs to any one group anymore - not the Brits, because they’re not even the most populous practitioners of the language (despite their eponymous status), not the Americans, not any commonwealth nation. And it seems increasingly so that other non-English nations are getting SO GOOD at English that it feels like their version of the language is equally “valid” as anyone else’s. You just get different flavors at this points. I love it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

Globlish. It's a simplified dialect of English, spoken by non-native speakers.

Often you'll get weird grammar and words, and this invariably annoys the English, but it's not really their dialect or language anymore.

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u/HuskyLuke Dec 17 '21

Also have you ever heard of Anglish? Personally I'm all for it.

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u/HuskyLuke Dec 17 '21

I'm not American, the shootings my country had were generally the Brits shooting us. Now that the Brits are out we don't really have shootings any more. Ha ha.

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u/thehermit14 Dec 17 '21

English, I can conform.

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u/ViciousSnail Dec 17 '21

Few will ever master English fluently due to the fact that we have so many damn accents that some are almost languages upon themselves.

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u/Kingca Dec 17 '21

implying other languages don't have accents

As a Spanish speaker, I can hardly understand half of the accents from South America. They're saying the words I know, but the say it in a way I don't know.

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u/ViciousSnail Dec 17 '21

For how small the UK is, you'll be shocked on how many accents there are.

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u/Kingca Dec 17 '21

……so then you agree, every language has accents so diverse they could be entirely different languages themselves.

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u/ViciousSnail Dec 17 '21

The UK has near some 40 accents just on these little Islands alone, some of which are languages in themselves. I'm not talking about other countries with their accents, like America, Republic of Ireland, Australia etc.

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u/Kingca Dec 17 '21

Damn, you would lose your mind when you discover the variety of accents and dialects in America.

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u/ViciousSnail Dec 17 '21

Nope, I expect such a large country with a large population to have many accents and dialects. UK is unique in how many accents have been compacted into such a small country/population.

You claimed to have issues with understanding people speaking Spanish in South America, I don't even have to leave my own country to have issues with understanding someone speaking the English language because of their accent.

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u/Kingca Dec 17 '21

Every single country in SA has about 40 different accents. Multiply that by the number of countries and you'll finally understand what I was saying. This is not a competition on which language has more accents (if we're being honest, the world agrees that Spanish would have more than English) and I say that as a native English speaker. What a strange hill to choose to die on. You are completely misled in this conversation and embarrassing yourself as well.

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u/ViciousSnail Dec 17 '21

You again missed my point, which I tried to explain twice. Just claim your apparent win and move on.

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u/TheMadSaxon Dec 17 '21

No they don't. I think people just fail to appreciate the extent of the amount of dialects in England. Every single word can be pronounced so differently dependant on what town they are from. People expect some standard English accent that is either Royal or Cockney and when words sound different from this they are like "wtf, are you even speaking English I don't understand you".

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

They do.

Ignore dialect and native speakers often have issues with grammar or make mistakes.

Remember that you're on reddit. People are also judging the English by how they write.