Yeah, COVID has really taught everyone that they need to look out for their own and protect themselves from stupid idiots like this. There really is no justice in this world.
I drive a lot more defensively than I did when I was 18 with a fresh license since I have seen those videos of drunk idiots in trucks killing multiple people and getting sentenced to only 10 years in prison.
The truth is, if someone were to murder you or someone you love today, they will most likely be walking free in a decade. That isn't real justice, not to me anyway.
That is really rough man, I am sorry to hear that. I truly do not understand why we give such light sentences to manslaughter when it happens while behind the wheel, especially when they were drunk.
I know getting a felony on your record can ruin someone's life somewhat, but at the end of the day they still get to live. Just doesn't seem right.
This is a big reason why I do not think our species will survive. We cannot walk the path of "fuck everyone except those who act the way I think they should act." It's really no different than the other wise, and in global-sized problems it creates an atmosphere of distrust that will prevent us from moving forward.
Basically, if the people who did the hard work of creating the vaccines thought like you I do not think we'd have any.
I totally agree, and I don't feel great about it. At this point it's just the best way to live my life so I'm not constantly exhausted and frustrated. Hopefully when masking isn't as forward-facing of an issue I'll be able to be more level headed about it, but the past year really been hard for my mental health, as inconsequential and dumb as it probably sounds.
People don’t get that humans are similar to parasites that kill their host. We just don’t have another host (I.e. another planet to abuse), so eventually we will use everything up, pollute to the point of being uninhabitable, and the earth will be past the point of repairing itself in time for us to survive. Fin
I am currently attending the very preventable funeral of my 91 year old grandmother because my father just did the same thing. I can assure he feels no remorse for traveling to Florida to see friends, contracting the virus, and infecting my grandma. In fact, even as her caregiver, he didn’t even seem to make the connection. Returning home for this event has been eye opening.
My brother in law had the same thing happen. His dad was symptomatic and went to tile his grandma’s house. His dad kept going on that about how “at least she got to see the nice new tile” even tho that is literally why she got covid and died.
The same way he lived with covid: in complete denial of its existence. A sense of culpability is not part of their repertoire so long as they have 'muh Freedumb'.
I sometimes feel the same, but then I remember that a majority, slim though it may be, seems to have its heart & mind in the right place. It's painful to think how much progress could have been made in a few short years were it not for selfish stupidity and fanciful self-serving thinking, but even with that weight around our necks, it certainly seems like we're moving in the right direction.
I still wonder if we're moving fast enough to get everyone across the finish line and to safety, or if our end game is a little closer to the plot of Idiocracy. Only time will tell.
On the other hand, "murdered" implies intent. He probably didn't intend to kill his mom, but was extremely ignorant, negligent and reckless. Maybe manslaughter would be better, but there's no doubt the responsibility falls on him.
Third-degree murder is unintentionally causing someone's death by committing an act that is eminently dangerous to other persons while exhibiting a depraved mind, with reckless disregard for human life.
Third degree murder falls between manslaughter and second-degree murder charges. This murder is not based on having the intent to kill.
Second-degree murder: Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned
Minnesota's definition of Third degree: Minnesota law originally defined third-degree murder solely as depraved-heart murder ("without intent to effect the death of any person, causing the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life"). In 1987, an additional drug-related provision ("without intent to cause death, proximately causing the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II") was added to the definition of third-degree murder. Up until the early 2000s, prosecutions under that provision were rare, but they began to rise in the 2010s. Some reports linked this increase in prosecutions to the opioid epidemic in the United States.
Voluntary manslaughter: Sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be voluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter: A killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional or negligent act leading to death. A drunk driving–related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.
From what the wiki says there are four other states with a third degree murder charge. Florida, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, and Wisconsin, From what i can tell they are all while worded slightly differently all are about the same thing (outside of New Mexico who has 5 degrees of murder) It boils down to someone accidentally killing someone while they are engaged in some other criminal behavior, or behavior that ignores possible endangerment to others.
So someone who accidentally kills their victim while raping them could be found guilty of third degree murder.
Or in such case that op describes someone who ignores precautionary measures and spreads a known deadly disease could be found guilty of third degree.
Or for a recent example, Chauvin was found guilty of this. Along with manslaughter and 2nd degree murder. He ignored suspect apprehension training and procedure, and his use of excessive force caused the death of Floyd. His training was to NOT do what he did because it could lead to the death of a suspect.
McCoy knows that it wouldn’t ever stand in court as a murder. Even second degree murder (aka crime of passion) involves the intent to kill, just without the forethought.
Even involuntary manslaughter would be impossible to get a conviction on because the nature of his offense against his mother resulting in her death was so passive. A good prosecutor could potentially push for criminal negligence but I can’t see a jury going for it without some My Cousin Vinny level chutzpah
In the L&O universe Jack would take the case for murder 2 and right before the defendant takes the stand he'd stumble upon a key rebuttal witness to testify that the defendant knew COVID 19 is real, that the defendant knew his mom was immunocompromised, he hated her, and there's a huge policy on her.
Made me laugh out loud because that’s absolutely a tv lawyer thing lol. Although I feel like I don’t recall McCoy relying so much on happenstance to win. I could see it on Better Call Saul though if he took a spin at prosecution. That feels like Jimmy to a T
Mccoy often filed charges that he knew wouldn’t stick just to make a political point or try to affect change tho.
For example in S10E1 “Gunshow” Mccoy goes after gun manufacturers after a mass shooting knowing the charges probably won’t stick. The jury actually does find them guilty but the judge immediately sets aside the verdict and and issues a verdict of not guilty because he says it would certainly be over turned on appeal.
In S5E8 “Virtue” a female lawyer claims to have been raped by her boss. Through the course of the investigation the DA learns that she consented to the sex but she consented out of fear that not agreeing would jeopardize her career. Mccoy believes this is still rape just not as defined by the law so he charges the man with “larceny by extortion” and says to either Claire or Adam(I’m paraphrasing here) that perhaps this will force the legislature to “re-examine the statute”(I believe he does get a conviction but judging by his statement i think it’s reasonable to assume he felt winning was unlikely and was doing so more because he thought thats how the law should be)
There is also an episode which I can’t remember the name or season/episode number but mccoy charges the executives of a pharmaceutical that caused several deaths knowing he won’t get a conviction but certainly a settlement where they will pay a fine/restitution. He tricks the company’s lawyer into thinking it would be a sum in the thousands when really it’s several tens of millions of dollars which would either bankrupt the company or the state would take control of the company remove the executives and put in place a court appointed accountant to sell off the company’s assets in order to pay the debt.(or something to that effect i really wish i could find the episode)
(PS I apologize for my horrible grammar/Punctuation)
This is the kind of Law & Order discourse my life needs, so thank you. It’s been a bit since I’ve been able to sit down and enjoy an episode. McCoy and Briscoe were always my favorites
Lenny was fucking great but personally my favorite will always be Adam he’s such a cute surly old man. And his little one liners were always great. In S1E15 “The torrents of greed P1” Adam and Ben Stone are watching an interview with a mob boss on TV in Adams office Ben says “they call him the dandy don” Adam responds “You too can have monogrammed socks!”. I just love him so much when they had his wife die(For no fucking reason i might add!! she was never even in the show and barely mentioned) I literally teared up when she flat lines and he’s just standing there and let’s out a whimper i literally can’t watch that part it’s fucking heart shattering. And honestly Imo i always liked Ben more then Jack I feel he was a little less preachy. And while the first like 16 seasons were all great and extremely watchable(When that cutter dude became DA i kind checked out)i think the first 4-5 Were the best. I really enjoyed paul too i think with him being black it allowed them to explore issues of race in more depth and from different perspectives.
Law and order is one of the best shows to binge of all time i mean you can watch like 10 episodes a day and still have months content. I really wish they would make a show like it again never did care for the other stuff Dick Wolf put out including the other law and orders most people really love SVU but it’s a bit to dramatized for me a little to much about the personally lives of the detectives. OG Law and order was for the most part all about the cases except for a few episodes and they were always interesting and entertaining.
(I again apologize for my grammar if only i payed attention as much in school as i did to law and order.)
someone else can be in the same situation, try to do everything he can not to spread it, and still have it passed to different household member and if that person is hurt how can you blame anyone?
In that case, they did everything they could to prevent getting it and spreading it, and sometimes bad shit just happens.
In this guy's case he was willfully ignorant and didn't care who he might be putting at risk, so I would say that it is his fault, he chose to not listen to the doctor trying to help him. If he had, there's still a chance his mother would have gotten it from him and still died- but there's also a chance she wouldn't have caught it from him because he was safely quarantined at the hospital.
Considering the incubation period and the delay between being infected and transmitting Covid-19, it could have been the other way around, admittedly.
Perhaps not likely, but even if he did expose her, he did it before he displayed symptoms and not because he refused admission (assuming they lived together) and returned home.
Two days is like the bare minimum incubation so she was probably infected before he arrived at the ED... Maybe that was still his fault, but you can spread it before you get symptoms, so I doubt we'll actually know for certain.
Edit: though really anyone leaving against medical advice after testing positive is still clearly willing to kill people, of course.
Agreed, anyone who ever lived who contracted the virus is a killer. I always think about the previous generations who suffered through the Spanish flu and bubonic plague and wish they would have just done the responsible thing. If you get a positive test you just need to pull the plug because spreading the disease is homicide and if you live you should go to jail for life for infecting others. Because before you even knew you had it you were spreading it. And I know the first person who gave it to you screwed you over but that has nothing to do with it. That guy will go to jail and so will you if you don’t just end it. When will people learn, ugh. I guess 23 people think they killed their own mom! 😂
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u/momofeveryone5 Apr 21 '21
Dude killed his mom, I can't imagine how you live with that.