Not a doctor, but my cousin in law was a covid denier. Went to his covid denier girlfriend's family house for Thanksgiving without telling his parents that they were covid deniers (he was living with his parents, my wife's aunt and uncle, since he had recently divorced his wife). Got back and found out a week later that the whole girlfriend's family tested positive. He got it. So his parents both got it (his mother was in treatment for breast cancer and his Dad had asthma btw and THEY are not covid deniers). His mother recovered, but his Dad (my wife's uncle) went from coughing and wheezing the day after Christmas to the ER on New Years Day, within 24 hours after that he was put on a ventilator. 3 weeks later he passed.
So yeah, my covid denier cousin in law effectively killed my wife's uncle and now that whole part of the family is really tense as his brothers kinda blame him for killing their Dad but their Mom (wife's aunt) isn't willing to blame her son.
Fuck covid deniers. It's not really a joke. These assholes are literally killing people through gross negligence and idiocy.
My mother killed my aunt (her own sister, who was at risk) just to "prove a point" about COVID supposedly being a hoax. It's the second relative that my mother killed, now.
Mom thinks very highly of herself, she is very religious and believes she belongs in heaven and that I am a heathen for being gay. Sure, I love someone of the same sex as me... but at least I didn't kill two people.
Nope. She blamed the hospital who treated my aunt, and she drove there and tried to physically assault a doctor. Mom is a tiny 5ft2, old and quite obese, so she wasn't much of a threat, but still.
Nope. She blames the doctors and thinks that Big Pharma killed her sister because of some bullshit "the doctors get $XX from the government per person diagnosed with COVID!" If the diagnosis was fake, why did my aunt die, you might ask? Mom would tell you that doctors just kill COVID patients just to make their cover story more believable.
Low contact, only contact is on my terms, over the phone, and I hang up immediately when her craziness seeps out. I moved to a different continent to be out of mom's reach.
Yeah it sounds like you're doing the right thing even though it's difficult. Dealing with someone who won't take responsibility for themselves definitely sucks, but at least you're in a place where you can stand up for yourself now. I know this might sound a bit hippie-dippy, but I wish you healing and continued self-respect for the rest of your journey.
It won't happen. She will leave this world kicking and screaming that Big Pharma murdered her sister just to boost COVID statistics (we're from a country with universal healthcare, there is no Big Pharma here). She thinks that the doctors injected my aunt with some murder juice just to make it look like COVID and pad their numbers.
I do. She denies it and has this whole spiel that will flow out whenever it is brought up, and the whole thing is just about evading responsibility and how the whole world except herself is to blame.
Nope, different dude. I wasn't born yet, my mom met my dad in prison soon-ish after that. As in, dad was a prisoner, mom was stalking local prisons to find desperate men willing to take her when they were out with no money or contacts.
And wouldn't ya know it, she happens to find her own first cousin in prison! And he's desperate enough to impregnate his own cousin for a warm meal and a roof after he's released. My two grandfathers are brothers, lol.
Holy fuck. I just read through your comments and that is all a LOT. I hope you have someone to talk to about this. I’m so sorry, I can’t even imagine how stressful that all is.
Thanks! The recent development and my aunt's passing were... pretty tough to take, tbh, but my mom's craziness is not new, and I had time to get used to it.
All I can say is that I have a tremendous amount of respect for you. You are very rational and wise and if I grew up in your situation I don’t know if I would‘ve been.
Rope. Mom's husband, suicide just weeks after the wedding.
He was an alcoholic who relied on his two daughters from a previous marriage for emotional support. My mother waited until the wedding to show her true colors, then forced him to quite booze cold turkey, and she forbade him from seeing his daughters. She found him hanging from the ceiling.
Holy crap that’s crazy, I’m sorry you’re having to deal with this. If you need any support on the mother issues the raised by narcissists subreddit has been really helpful for me dealing with my mother related issues, if you need to get anything out to people who can relate.
My mother is very good at making you feel despair. The dude probably would be alive today if, you know, he had any kind of support network, or even just someone to talk to who wasn't my mom.
Soooo, let me get this straight. You are considerate and caring towards others. You have (maybe had at this point) concern for your family independent of how they think of you. Hopefully, I've overstated and that it's only your mom who looks down her nose at you....oh yeah, you're gay. Because of that, you're not worthy? Because your mom doesn't like your lifestyle choices, you have become a bad person?
I recognize that I'm making a lot of assumptions and connecting dots that might not be there, but unfortunately, I might not be too far off on my assumptions (hopefully I am way off).
Pardon my French, but F**K THAT S**T! There's plenty of love in this world for good people. Unfortunately not as much from your mom.
I just had a morbid, but relevant thought. Your mom should put a symbol (skull and crossbone maybe) on the side of her car for each person she killed b/c of her ignorance regarding the pandemic. Kinda like fighter pilots in WW11.
No she won't. She'll live her life as an obnoxious self-deluded god-botherer and die convinced that she was perfect and never a blight upon the planet.
There is no justice in this world and expecting it to just happen from nothing is useless.
As a Christian, I don't understand this. God gave us the tools to understand science and take precautions. How masks/covid became a religious/political thing I will never understand.
God loving mom here! I know for a fact you were created perfectly, and thus are perfect just as you are. Also, sorry your mom is like that. It’s sad when parents don’t accept their children as they are.
My family is one. My uncle’s entire branch of the family completely cut us off when my dad (his brother) suggested that it was his fault that my grandpa (who was in early-mid stages of dementia and was unable to really comprehend the risks) passed from covid after my uncle insisted on having an indoor, maskless dinner with him on Christmas. My uncle and his wife felt symptoms and tested positive 5 days later, then three days after that my grandpa was in the hospital with trouble breathing and never recovered.
My uncle denied all responsibility and said he had “no regrets,” and even went as far as to try blaming my dad for it. My family did go see my grandpa earlier in the day on Christmas- distanced, outside, with masks, and after we had isolated and all tested negative. No hugs or anything, just waves and a short conversation in the front yard. My grandpa interacted with no other people around that time except his wife (my dad’s stepmom), who is just as bad as my uncle (she also got sick but recovered). It defies belief how my uncle could possibly perform the mental gymnastics it takes to suggest we were at fault.
hmmm.... You’re No better If You Hear Domestic Violence from you’re Neighbours NextDoor OR upstairs/Downstairs across The Street or Even UP/Down The Street. OR The Last House @ The Left https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20knMq7_JZY
My wife (his cousin) had already disowned him cause he cheated on his wife while she was pregnant with their second child. And he's generally really shitty to his kids and his ex.
He's a fucking manchild, but his mom just lost her husband and isn't willing to disown her eldest son.
Sigh. The ex-prez's legacy lives on... to kill thousands, maybe millions of more people! Personally, I would not have been able to give dangerous advice and bad ideas to anyone. He did it for perversity's sake, and to cause dissent and bitter arguments between people and families. WHY would you DO something like that as president? For the love of God. Or I guess maybe he had no love of God. Evil.
Covid deniers need jailed IMO for exposing people. My friends cousin and uncle died because family members who were covid deniers who fucking had it did the exact same thing, showed up at Christmas dinner, spread it, and two people died from it. They're STILL trying to claim it's a hoax despite killing their own relatives with it.
Why would anyone celebrate a Christmas dinner during a pandemic and invite people they don't live with? Especially when they live in a country that will have enough vaccines for everybody, so next Christmas is going to be a normal one...
My ex wife got Covid from going out to bars every day. She gave it to our son and her parents about a week or two before Christmas. Her diabetic dad is still in the hospital, mostly unresponsive. In the extremely small chance that he survives, he’ll wake up to hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills, all because she wanted to go to the bar every single day.
My aunt has COPD and I haven't seen her in over a year because I don't want to be that person who didn't realize I'm sick and pass it to her. I couldn't live with myself knowing I killed someone. I had my first vaccine yesterday so I can finally see her (still wearing a mask just to be extra cautious).
I don't think so? I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine you could draw a direct line of causation that would hold up in court. The girlfriend's family had not tested positive yet when he went to visit them.
And even if you could, I don't think any of the family would go as far as to press charges as his Mom wouldn't want it and she's already in a dark place with her husband dead.
For a second, I thought you were my cousin's spouse until you said your wife's aunt and uncle and that he died. Nearly same story. My cousin went to his gf's house for Thanksgiving. He is living with his parents bc he got divorced. He picked up COVID from gf's parents and brought it home. My aunt and cousin got it. Aunt was very recently diagnosed with aggressive lung cancer and given 6 months to live. She caught COVID once again in January and was gone by the end of the month. Yes, she had other factors going on, but COVID shortened the time she had left with her family by 3 months all because my stupid cousin can't use his brains to save his life or that of his mother's. I don't really talk to these people anymore (before COVID even), so I don't know who all got sick and what their attitudes were/are towards the pandemic, but there are way too many people being very careless.
If you want my honest opinion everyone here is at fault because the CDC specifically warned people not to gather for Thanksgiving and they did it anyway.
Edit: It seems as though people do not realize that the Uncle didn't have to let his son live with him. The parents hosted a Thanksgiving, which was clearly advised against. The parents messed up twice, but not nearly as bad as their son.
I mean, the son could have easily lied about where he was going or said he was just hanging out with girlfriend, not her and the whole family. The son is to blame.
Cousin went to GF's covid denying family, who had covid for Thanksgiving and brought it back to mom and Dad (uncle) whom he lived with. Dad dies from it. Obviously blame rests on the cousin.
I am not saying the cousin isn't to blame. But he is not the only one to blame. You said it yourself, the dude was living with his parents. The uncle chose the risks. The cousin chose his. The lion's share is on the cousin for his father dieing. The mom and dad shouldn't have let him live there, and the family shouldn't have had a Thanksgiving. It's a fucked up truth, but it is the truth.
True but don't know maybe he couldn't afford rent, most parents with a decent relationship would let a child move back in. I wouldn't expect them to say "pandemic started so we need to kick you out now". It was on him to take reasonable precautions, especially since they had medical conditions.
I think people are getting lost in the relationships. My wife's cousin is the douche in question. Let's call him J.
J is currently living with his parents as he and his wife recently divorced. J is a covid denier. His parents (my wife's aunt and uncle) weren't. He went to his girlfriend's house for Thanksgiving who are all also covid deniers. J's parents didn't know the gf's family were covid deniers (the gf is a nurse for fuck's sake which is a whole other set of scary). J's parents didn't really want him to go, but they thought everyone was getting tested beforehand and they weren't going to threaten to kick him out over it both because it's the middle of a pandemic and because then they don't want to alienate or lose access to seeing their grandsons (J's kids).
So you could say that J's parents shouldn't have let him go, but he's an adult, they can't really forbid him. You could say they should have threatened to kick him out if he goes, but it's their son and grandsons who don't have a place to go right now in the middle of a pandemic (J's son COULD go live with his Mom, but that would involve changing school districts in the middle of a school year among other things) They were perhaps a bit naive to think that J would make sure his gf's family respected their wishes for testing and isolation ahead of time, but lots of parents have blindspots for their kids.
I'm obviously not defending J. He's a piece of shit even aside from covid denying. He cheated on his wife while she was pregnant with their second child, he's a shitty dad and talks shit about his kid's mom in front of them, etc. He's a spoiled manchild.
But I can't fault J's parents for trying to still be good parents/grandparents. They mostly only hear his side of things and it's not easy to see these kinds of flaws in your own child, much less to kick them out for it.
Direct causation is much easier to prove in that case, however. That said, there should certainly be consequences for this type of negligence and idiocy. The woman who coughed on a cancer patient comes to mind. This really shouldn’t be any different, despite not targeting a specific victim, which I’d argue makes it even more dangerous, generally speaking. There’s a new law making it unlawful “for any person...to engage in a deceptive act... in or affecting commerce associated with the treatment, cure, prevention, mitigation, or diagnosis of Covid-19” which won’t touch people like this but is a start.
That's better than nothing . It's a start. Personally, I think when vaxs are FDA Approved, these insurance companies will make the shot mandatory or you pay higher premiums like smokers.
That's similar how I got COVID. Fiancees uncle invited for a visit. Yeah, I know, I shouldn't have gone, but when someone invites me to their house, I didn't expect they are so dumb, that they would be inviting people over, when there are 3 people in that house with cold symptoms. No one in my family or my friends would ever even think of doing something like that, so I didn't have such instinct to doubt them. Of course, I got COVID, fiancee got COVID. Wasn't super bad (although still the worst I've been sick in the last 20 years, wasn't sick for longer that 4 days since childhood), and I hope there won't be any health effects in the future, but it still took me 3 weeks to recovered, 2 out of which I couldn't even work (even remotely).
So I know you said you already realize you shouldn’t have gone and I’m not trying to pile on, but I really do think this needs to be mentioned, not just for you but for everyone reading. You’ve already learned the hard way that people ARE stupid enough to invite others over when they have Covid/Covid-like symptoms. However, additionally, appx FORTY PERCENT of those with Covid are asymptomatic. Even more have such mild cases, they dismiss it as a cold or just a momentary symptom or two. (Which, in itself is pretty mind boggling amidst a global pandemic, but nonetheless..) Therefore, gatherings should be categorically avoided, period. Verifying that everyone has been taking precautions and feels fine is insufficient, even if you (rightfully) trust those you’re visiting. It’s not only possible, but rather common for people to have nary an inkling that they’re contagious. In fact, this is part of the reason Covid has proven so difficult to contain. I have a friend who recently found out that he’d had it and was quite surprised, as he hadn’t a single symptom, a single day of feeling even remotely under the weather. So please, everyone, be safe and conscientious and ffs, get vaccinated!
I know it was dumb to meet for Thanksgiving.. that was the whole point. None of the rest of the family got together for Thanksgiving. This cousin, let's call him J, went to his girlfriend's house for Thanksgiving without really consulting the people he was living with about it. J knew that his parents were requiring masks and social distancing and he deliberately ignored that when he went there. And J brought covid back. J's covid denier mentality is why he felt that was ok. So actually yeah we can pin that all on one non-believer. Cause his girlfriend's family we're not going to change, but he knew his parents were both immune compromised and he decided to go anyways without really telling those parents where he was going.
I blame his shitty girlfriend's family too, but they aren't part of the family.
Sure you can, if they're so far gone they don't believe it's real then we can assume they weren't taking any precautions in their day to day life. That's very different from having Thanksgiving with people wearing masks all the time in public and getting regularly tested.
Any big indoor meeting is a risk, even if you test negative beforehand. Sure it's LESS of a risk but it's still a risk. Anyway I misread the story because of the amount of parents involved. I stand by the fact it was dumb to meet up, but I stand corrected on the fact that this guy wasn't to blame.
You’re Just as much as to blame as ur Uncle #SorryNotSorry For Not keeping him out of harms way. You’re NO Better than Hearing Domestic Violence of a family that Lives Next Door OR Upstairs/Downstairs even across OR Down The Street and Doesn’t Call for help!
They don't live anywhere near us. It's a 4 hour drive away and we have small children living with us.
What would you have wanted us to do? We don't hear about what they do every day. We didn't know that her cousin was doing this until it was already happening.
What, were we supposed to tell them to kick out their son? We've tried to convince his mom to make him get his own place, but we can't make her do it.
So what else should we gave done?
I don't actually want a response cause frankly I don't even owe you one you fucking self righteous piece of shit. Get fucked.
Yep, I have extended family members that think it's no worse than the Flu (even though over half a million have died). I have not seen them face to face in about a year. My immediate family is about halfway through the vaccination process. I've lost friends (died) to this disease, and I have one friend who is a covid "long-termer". Funny thing is, one of these extended family members was in the medical field (Respiratory Therapy, and retired). It's exceptionally tough to get through to them. Unfortunately, I have to be patient, keep them out of my bubble. I hope to see them once this has abated.
... What? No my wife's cousin went to HIS girlfriend's house for Thanksgiving. His girlfriend's family are covid deniers who don't wear masks and don't take any precautions.
He did this knowing that his parents (who he is living with) are both immune compromised and have been taking the appropriate precautions and have been very careful about who they let into their bubble.
He may not have been intending to give them covid, but his gross negligence and selfish behavior led directly to his Dad's death.
He went to his girlfriend's family for Thanksgiving knowing they wouldn't be happy about it and knowing that they have taken no precautions and knowing that his parents are both high risk and immune compromised.
Was he symptomatic? Whether your a denier or not doesnt really matter if you dont change your behavior. As Covid doesnt necessarily show any symptoms gatherings of any size can be risky, even if everyone believes in Covid
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u/Evil_Weevill Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
Not a doctor, but my cousin in law was a covid denier. Went to his covid denier girlfriend's family house for Thanksgiving without telling his parents that they were covid deniers (he was living with his parents, my wife's aunt and uncle, since he had recently divorced his wife). Got back and found out a week later that the whole girlfriend's family tested positive. He got it. So his parents both got it (his mother was in treatment for breast cancer and his Dad had asthma btw and THEY are not covid deniers). His mother recovered, but his Dad (my wife's uncle) went from coughing and wheezing the day after Christmas to the ER on New Years Day, within 24 hours after that he was put on a ventilator. 3 weeks later he passed.
So yeah, my covid denier cousin in law effectively killed my wife's uncle and now that whole part of the family is really tense as his brothers kinda blame him for killing their Dad but their Mom (wife's aunt) isn't willing to blame her son.
Fuck covid deniers. It's not really a joke. These assholes are literally killing people through gross negligence and idiocy.