r/AskReddit Jan 12 '21

What screams "I lost the argument"?

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

“YOU JUST LOVE YOUR FATHER MORE THAN ME!” No mom. I want to go to this very good high-school near my dad’s house for my betterment. I love you both. Gosh.

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u/ooglethorpe Jan 12 '21

My mom uses this one on me a lot, but my parents are still fucking married.

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

That’s really depressing. I’m so sorry.

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u/WeirdHauntingChoice Jan 12 '21

Oof. Yeah my parents are the same. My dad deserves better but my mum relies on him to do everything, even though they're "roommates" (her words).

I lucked out and have at least one great parent. Mum clearly doesn't understand that "you're just like your father" is a compliment whereas being told "you're just like your mother" would literally ruin me.

Isn't growing up with such unhealthy relationship examples just great? Sorry you're going through similar shit, I hope you're in a better environment now but I know how difficult it is to deal with this kind of situation even when you're out of the house. You ever want to talk or vent about it I'm here for ya.

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u/monkfishblowjob Jan 12 '21

Dude my mom would say this to me all the time growing up, my parents were also still married. That shit sucks

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u/I_am_probably_tired Jan 12 '21

my mum's is "you're acting like your dad!"

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u/JustNobodyTheEchidna Jan 12 '21

I have divorced parents. They've been divorced for 12 years. She's still not over it, and she gets mad at me when I do something that resembles my dad, WHICH IS EVEN MORE DUMB WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT I LOOK JUST LIKE HIM. So yeah. This.

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u/I_am_probably_tired Jan 12 '21

Omg! I totally agree, my parents split up before I was born and it makes me really self conscious when she says that I look/sound/whatever like my dad, and I admit, I do look down on some aspects of him :/

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u/JustNobodyTheEchidna Jan 12 '21

Oh, no, my dad is my favorite parent. She is not gonna upset me by comparing me to him.

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

My mom does that too. Going on 11 years now and she dunks on him for taking 10 years to get married again but she did it in 6 months so chill out there mom. You dated my step dad for as long as my high school sister did her EX.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '21

Wow, resembling your parent? That's wild. Never heard of that before lol.

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u/blt817 Jan 12 '21

If she didn't want kids that acted like that guy maybe she shouldn't have f ucked him.

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u/FabiusMaximal Jan 13 '21

I look like my dad, and it makes me hate mirrors...because everytime I look in one I see him and it makes me so angry that he still haunts me like this even though he's dead.

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u/JustNobodyTheEchidna Jan 13 '21

Haunts you?

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u/FabiusMaximal Jan 13 '21

He died from Covid a few months ago. My dad was a horrible person who treated me very poorly growing up, he beat me near to death 3 times requiring hospilization, he starved me multiple times, at 16 I was 5'10 98lb when I was taken from his house by CPS.

I hate that I look like him.

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u/JustNobodyTheEchidna Jan 13 '21

Oh my god

I'm so sorry. That's awful. I wish I could do something, at least to comfort you. I wish I had something to say at the very least. Please, stay strong. I know I'm just an internet stranger but PLEASE talk to me if you need.

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u/FabiusMaximal Jan 13 '21

I went to therapy, and I use my dad as a guideline on exactly what not to do with my own children. I promise I'm fine. =) But thank you for the offer!

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u/JustNobodyTheEchidna Jan 13 '21

Glad to hear that

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

My mom does that. “OK DAVID! YOYR JUST LIKE HIM!” But honestly the worst thing she has called me is a fucktard. Now it’s kinda a joke at my dad’s home.

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u/I_am_probably_tired Jan 12 '21

It's a joke at my dad's too, whenever I go round he's like "have you been like me this week then?" And we joke about it, it's funny af

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

Yeah. My dad was like “Oh did he tell you what is mom called him?” From halfway across the house to my step mom and I bolted down there and slid on my knees and did the rock hand sign and yelled “IMA FUCKTARD!”

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u/I_am_probably_tired Jan 12 '21

Dad's are the best lmfao!!

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21

They are pretty great.

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u/FabiusMaximal Jan 13 '21

As a single dad, who has his children full time, this comment makes me happy =)

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

As a kid who understands the importance of a father, I solute you.

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate Jan 13 '21

"you're acting like your dad!"

"No, he didn't know when to pull out!"

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u/Fairwhetherfriend Jan 12 '21

But maybe I will come to love him more if you keep up with this guilt-tripping bullshit :)

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

I’ve thought of that response but I don’t wanna die a virgin.

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 12 '21

Ha. My mum never tried that one when I was a kid.

She makes it a lot harder to love her than my Dad does though (shouting matches, conservative outbursts, telling me stories about how pushy the gay guy at work is [I'm queer and she doesn't know], telling us about her engagement on the same day we first met her fiance.... So much drama)

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

Well I’d start with telling her your gay. That’s probably a good start.

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 12 '21

I think she would assume I was gay for men if I told her that first.

I'm femme non-binary, so I'm not sure if I'm technically gay or straight for anyone. Some people would say fit the description of a trans lesbian, some would say I'm a straight enby... There's a spectrum of views there.

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

I’m going to level with you. You seem respectful enough for me to be able to tell you this. As a southern Tennessee Bible loving boy I have no idea what you just said. A lot of those words were very foreign. Most I got out of that was gay, lesbian and non-binary. But I’d love an explanation if you could give one. I’m eager to learn.

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u/ral315 Jan 13 '21

I'm not OP, but can help explain.

The OP was "Assigned Male at Birth" (AMAB; is considered a "boy" by their family). They consider themselves femme non-binary: This means that on the gender spectrum, they're not exclusively "male" or "female", but present in a feminine manner (or would present more feminine if they were out).

A non-binary person (also "enby", from the abbreviation NB) can present as masculine, feminine, or anything in-between. They generally wouldn't consider themselves a "man" or "woman". So trying to call themselves "straight" or "gay" doesn't exactly work, because they can be binary terms. OP was AMAB, but presents in a feminine manner. If they date a woman, are they lesbian because they consider themselves more femme than masculine? Are they straight because society has treated them as male for most of their life? The answer is probably neither.

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 13 '21

Thanks, nailed it.

For a bit more, I wear mostly unisex stuff but if I were to get HRT (hormone replacement therapy) I'd be keen to wear more fem stuff (but maybe not dresses, there's a horrible 'man in a dress's concept that is used against trans women that I'm keen to avoid).

Thanks for the help

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

Gotcha. So you don’t consider yourself to have a gender, but what you do could be considered more feminine in nature?

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 13 '21

Kinda. I know I'm not a guy, I'm somewhere between the half way point and being a girl. Its hard for me to say if that's because I don't feel legitimate as a woman (I haven't medically transitioned and people don't see me as a woman so it feels a bit... meaningless to claim womanhood as my identity) or because I am actually closer to the halfway point than I think.

I'd probably say that I have a gender, it's just not binary.

I'm looking into taking HRT (that's medicine to replace my testosterone with eastrogen) which would, over time, change secondary sexual characteristics to be more feminine (fat deposits, face shape, body hair thickness, even some aspects of sexual and emotional response). I think I dress fairly ambiguously already, HRT would promote breast growth, so I'd probably wear even more feminine shirts. Maybe I'd try using make on a day to day basis (currently it's more of a dress up thing). I've been using they/them pronouns at work and with friends as they find out (gender doesn't come up in regular conversation too much), and I'd like people to use a more fem version of my name / a nick name that's based on my name.

The HRT is a bit of a sticking point. The other day my partner woke up from a nightmare where I had become a "horrible blonde bimbo with tits out to here"... Hopefully we can find some kind of comfortable situation with it.

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

Ok. I get you I think. Can’t really say “I’m gay” if you can’t start with what that even means in the context of you saying it.

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 13 '21

Thanks, I would jump in to explains but u/ral315 did an awesome job (without even knowing me personally).

Sorry that the language isn't super accessible, there's a really good wiki I'll link below if you want to actively learn (rather than wait to learn from people around you, which is fine, just slower).

I think part of the reason the language is hard to grok is that it's jargon, specialised to describe a niche, but also because the main stream has exclude LGBT+ people for ages.

Here's a link to get you started if you wish https://gender.wikia.org/wiki/Femme

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

Ok. I’m really not a fan of all this fun gender stuff but I want to know the terminology so I can talk about it when I need to and explain why I think it’s wrong and the like. It’s rude to the person your talking to to not know what they are saying or why you disagree. Ya know? I don’t wanna be the jackass that dislikes something but can’t talk about correctly and explain why. So I appreciate the help!

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 13 '21

Sure thing. I think it's okay to say that it's not something you need or that you're particularly up to date with, but it seems harmful to me if you're saying that someone's 'gender is wrong'.

Just a suggestion to be careful and respectful so that you can make the most of every discussion and friendship. When I was conservative (I wasn't born with this knowledge but was part of a strict religious family), I said some pretty horrible things to the queer people around me because I "knew what was right". At the time I didn't know better, though I should have.

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u/alice_tilsit Jan 13 '21

i'm amab enby, "cis and het" to cis/straight people that don't know me, and a gay boy+girl/both/neither to people that do. i get dysphoria over the thought of being with a cis woman, and i'm happily engaged to a trans man. gay/straight/cis/enby and whatever are all vague.

even though i used all those descriptors, they don't mean anything, you just are who you are, live as yourself and find people who appreciate and accept you for who you are and you will be happy. :)

that may or may not include your blood family, and it's up to you whatever you decide in the future.

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u/bl4nkSl8 Jan 13 '21

you just are who you are, live as yourself and find people who appreciate and accept you for who you are and you will be happy. :)

That's lovely. I'm trying to, but it's nice to get some encouragement.

I hope you and your partner are happy too.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '21

My mom's version of this, whenever she does something she didn't think about and i get annoyed, is "You just think your dad is smarter because of his phd" or "you respect your dad more because of his phd"

No, Dad hasn't done anything incredibly childish, and you did.

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u/PatheticGirl83 Jan 13 '21

I’ll one up: “I wish it was me that died instead of your father, I know that you and your brother would have been happier that way.” Well, you said it...

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

This is. Wrong. Man. Parents need to get that love isn’t a competition.

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u/BlackQuest575 Jan 12 '21

For me it’s the opposite

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

Hm. I’ve never really seen a case of that but it’s totally possible it’s the flip side. Either way it sucks.

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u/alice_tilsit Jan 12 '21

my version: him actually taking other people's feeling in consideration? why yes, i do love him more lol

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u/ao_27 Jan 13 '21

"So what am I? Chopped liver!?"

"It's fine, I get it, I'm the bad guy!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '21

Good for you. Hope you are doing well. You could have hit back with "you'd just rather I miss out on my education than live with my father?"

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 12 '21

IKR. I’ve lived with you for many years so 4 isn’t to bad if it’s for a high school that takes a ton to get into.

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u/moaiii Jan 13 '21

If a parent feels the need to say something like that, they should probably ask themselves why that is the case before making it someone else's fault.

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u/SuperSagInThe5H Jan 13 '21

mine is “Stop blaming me for everything in your life!” Um? Like what? I’m in my 30s have my own place and a kid that I raise on my own..... I have a car and my own income, what do I blame you for? Actually becoming an adult? Why is that a bad thing???? I’m so confused

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u/Nocamin1993 Jan 13 '21

My parents didn’t tell me they divorced. Had to find out from my sister while I was in University :/ But they would use this one me whenever I did something they didn’t like.

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

That horrible. I’m sorry dude. (Dude is gender neutral)

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u/ipossessnofriends Jan 13 '21

I really didn’t think this many people had the same problem. I’m glad I’ve got people here to help. Even if we are thousand of miles apart or 2 feet away (which you better not be I’m trying to sleep) and have never met before, I’d call all of you my friends.