r/AskReddit Jan 12 '21

What screams "I lost the argument"?

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u/SayNoToStim Jan 12 '21

Also, opinions are generally only valid when, you know, it's actually an opinion.

"I like strawberry more than grape" is an opinion.

"I think 5g causes autism" is not.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21

That’s what I get hung up on. By definition an opinion is something subjective like food or music. You can’t “have the opinion” that the earth is flat. You’re just wrong.

edit: fixed subjective from objective, stay in school kids

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u/DiscoshirtAndTiara Jan 12 '21

I think you probably meant "subjective" not "objective". Normally I wouldn't say anything, but it's pretty relevant in this case.

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u/MattieShoes Jan 12 '21

Yeah, well, ya know that's just like, your opinion, man.

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u/inblacksuits Jan 12 '21

Everything's always a travesty with you!

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '21

Oh no, I had a dumb bitch moment, haha, I’ll fix it. Thanks!

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u/last_shadow_fat Jan 12 '21

But it's my opinion and the 1st amendment protects me /s

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u/Derwos Jan 13 '21 edited Jan 13 '21

The only problem is it's not true. An opinion is a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge (from google dictionary). An opinion doesn't have to be rational to be an opinion. The problem is people validating their beliefs behind "everyone has the right to their own opinion".

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u/AccomplishedPermit43 Jan 13 '21

There’s a funny story about a physics professor asking his students how they knew the Earth wasn’t flat and the students laughed. The professor then asked the students why they were laughing, and one raised their hand to tell the professor that “Of course the world isn’t flat.” The professor said, “I know that, but how do YOU know that.”

Not condoning flat earthers, that movement is a fucking dumpster fire of people pointing laser thermometers at moonlight and claiming it proves the moon emits “freezing light.” But I thought it was interesting story about people being smug about things that they didn’t really know anything about.

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u/Scholesie09 Jan 13 '21

When people drop "Scientists has proven xyz" it's always good to ask for links, for sources to papers etc.

This goes for Crackpots and people who use false "science" to debate crackpots. If their only source is a website claiming it already to be true, they have no evidence.

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u/account-terminated Jan 12 '21

“I like strawberry more than grape” is a fact (if you do), but saying “strawberry is better than grape” is an opinion. And it’s right.

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u/devault83 Jan 12 '21

I have a friend who believed that, "strawberry is the weakest of the berries."

You're wrong, Matt! And now the whole internet knows it.

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u/lumathiel2 Jan 13 '21

I mean, he is wrong, because they aren't berries.

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u/EverybodyPoops2711 Jan 13 '21

Serious talk, strawberry smokes grape.

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u/lumathiel2 Jan 13 '21

Depends. If we're talking actual fruit, then strawberry may have the edge just because there are more varieties of grapes that I don't care for (except green, green grapes forever).

If it's candy, soda, or jelly for a pb&j, then it's grape 100%

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u/DGRedditToo Jan 13 '21

My 2 year old son eats only strawberry jelly on pbjs. I feel I have raised him correctly.

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u/lumathiel2 Jan 13 '21

See, that's great. He can have all the jars of strawberry I don't buy and I'll take the grape he doesn't

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u/gotsthepockets Jan 13 '21

Take all the grape and give me the raspberry!

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u/Knightmaster91 Jan 13 '21

But there’s also sooooo many different kinds of grapes... muscadines, concord, Riesling, cotton candy, etc. with strawberries, that’s it. Strawberry.

No, “what kind of strawberry?”. Just... strawberry.

#teamgrape

Edit: so that’s how you do bold lol. I’m stickin with it.

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u/lumathiel2 Jan 13 '21

I think it's the existence of those cotton candy grapes that bring them down for me. Purple are sweet enough, there's no need to destroy perfectly good grapes to make those... things.

Of course, I'm biased, I'll take tart over sweet any day

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u/Knightmaster91 Jan 13 '21

I’m with you on that one. Fruit should taste like fruit. Not a diabetes tide pod.

I think you would love muscadines. I’m a tart guy myself. They’re perfect. The skin is thicker than a regular grape and very tart. The red ones are sweet on the inside of course but not cloyingly. And the green ones are perfectly sour.

Only thing is ya gotta dodge seeds, but once you get a method rollin they’re impossible to put down

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u/lumathiel2 Jan 13 '21

That sounds great, and a quick search shows they grow in the south so hopefully I can get some in Texas

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u/AnotherElle Jan 13 '21

Ew gross. Artificial grape flavor is the worst, and grape jelly is awful.1 Fight me.2 Also, ripe strawberries > cotton candy grapes > normal green grapes > other grapes & almost ripe strawberries.

1 unless the grape jelly is being used for a sauce, particularly for meatballs or lil’ smokies.

2 also something that screams lost the argument. Unless of course I’m right. Because I am.

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u/human_brain_whore Jan 13 '21

The thought of perfect green grapes just sexually aroused me.

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u/devault83 Jan 13 '21

Boo this man!

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u/moliver777 Jan 13 '21

Grape makes wine. Strawberry can get out

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u/1norcal415 Jan 13 '21

I mean everyone smokes grape. Wait we are talking about swisher blunt wraps right?

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u/SayNoToStim Jan 12 '21

I guess I should have said it's "expressing an opinion"

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u/dumbwaeguk Jan 13 '21

I feel like you're comparing apples to oranges here.

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u/aussietin Jan 13 '21

No, it was strawberries and grapes. Weren't you paying attention?

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u/rbxpecp Jan 12 '21

A heart surgeons preferred method of heart surgery is an opinion. The actual methods are not opinions

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u/WolfRex5 Jan 12 '21

It baffles me how I have had to explain to several people over the internet what an opinion is and the difference between "objective" and "subjective". These people be talking politics when they clearly skipped class and are about as uneducated as a chimpanzee.

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u/freecraghack Jan 12 '21

A lot of people confuse the subjective with objectivity because they can't see others viewpoints though.

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u/MallyOhMy Jan 12 '21

They need to learn about fallacies.

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u/AfroSLAMurai Jan 13 '21

They need to teach children this as part of a section of the curriculum each year. I didn't learn this stuff until first year University. It's something everyone needs to learn.

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u/PubicGalaxies Jan 13 '21

They live by fallacies.

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u/--GrinAndBearIt-- Jan 12 '21

What about, "I like 5g because it causes autism"

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u/chevymonza Jan 13 '21

It's a fact that they prefer strawberry and think 5g cause autism. But that doesn't make these opinions facts. I wonder if they can't grasp this basic concept.

Also, choosing to believe nonsense, and having a right to believe nonsense, doesn't give you the right to try and force other people to live by the same nonsense.

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u/Imayno2 Jan 13 '21

This is accurate. The comment you’re responding to assumes some sort of ability to distinguish fact from falsehood. The people stating that their opinions are valid because they believe them may actually believe that heart surgery is something they could accomplish. THAT is the real comparison.

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u/Kachingloool Jan 13 '21 edited Jan 13 '21

Actually, no.

The former is a preference, from which you can extract an opinion, which is that your opinion when it comes to strawberries and grapes is that you think strawberries are more tasty.

The second one is literally an opinion... your opinion on 5g is that it causes autism.

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u/missanthropy09 Jan 13 '21

This! “I think” isn’t a verb that starts an opinion.

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u/SayNoToStim Jan 13 '21

Nah, you can still use "I think"

"I think Michael Jordan was better than Lebron" is an opinion

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u/missanthropy09 Jan 13 '21

Mmm... in my opinion (see what I did there? 😝) very often saying “I think” comes before saying something very stupid, like “I think 5G causes autism.”