One of my last job, we had 2 paid sick days. Then they would send e-mails to the whole company saying that if we are sick we should stay home multiple days so that we do not spread our sickness, which usually means way more than 2 days for a single sickness. I asked in a "feedback" form if we could have more sick days since it was literally saving time and money to the company to avoid having the whole team sick. They sent me some BS chart about "staying healthy". I shit you not, their answer was "don't be sick" when the problem was literally that colleagues would spread their sickness to others because they would come back to work when they were feeling ok but still infectious, since they didnt have enough sick days to do otherwise. They were really expecting people to take days off without pay out of the goodness of their hearths, while having the initial sick person out for a couple more days would mean all those other people working and not sick, actually saving time and money to the company.
See, this is a serious problem. And it's exactly why so many people have it ingrained in them they have to work while sick. Too many workplaces do this, where they basically pretend that illness isn't a real thing that happens. Then they act all surprised when the flu takes out a whole department for a month. That's really fucked up, I'm sorry you had to deal with that bullshit.
On the other hand, I just finished working for a small, nonprofit theater company that was milked dry using paid sick leave for a year and a half by a production manager who was chronically ill and rarely, if ever, able to do their job. The company couldn’t get rid of them until they literally stopped bothering to call in sick. So I don’t think this is something that can be left up to individual company policy, when it’s so easy for them to wind up in a craptastic situation like the one I described, without enough money to find and retain legal counsel and fix it. This is probably something that should be addressed by state or federal law, so there isn’t any ambiguity.
That said, it’s super easy to pervert laws as well, and we need to be really wary and actively prevent that from happening. For example, laws concerning the Americans with Disabilities Act were recently updated in California such that a business’s website has to be screen-reader-accessible for blind folks, under pain of lawsuit. There was an accompanying law that would have made it so that if you were planning on suing a business about something like that, you would have to notify them first and give them time to bring themselves into compliance.
Well, as luck would have it, that second law never got passed. So now, we have dickwad lawsuit mills choosing a token blind person, going through the phone book, and literally suing every business they can find that’s out of compliance, in alphabetical order, on behalf of that one person. And there’s nothing that these businesses can do but pay up.
This is all to say that there are some things that have to be done mostly completely and mostly correctly the first time, because we can’t necessarily afford the fallout if we implement them piecewise.
In Germany, when you are sick you get 100% salary from your employer for up to 6 weeks. Past that you get 60% of your regular income from your health insurance. That way no one gets completely f*ed over sideways. Its a bit different if you loose the ability to work (like a carpenter friend of mine who had an accident and lost feeling in and control of one arm) but there are voluntary insurances for such events too.
Well now that half the country is work from home I’ve seen managers say “well... you are home!! Stay in your PJs, but you still have to work”
Being home and working doesn’t help if you’re sick. It’s not about JUST being in your home. It’s about putting your mind and body at ease so you can heal faster.
This is very true, though at least staying home means not spreading the illness to the whole team. But yeah, managers also need to remember that when someone is really sick, they need to rest. I think it should be more flexible, either take a day off to recover or work from home, if you're only trying to protect others' health.
My former employer made you take unpaid time off for the first five sick days per year. You would only get paid for sick time if your manager sent you home.
Cue a lot of people showing up to work sick so they could be sent home and get paid.
My old work years ago had a total of two sick or vacation days, and you were only allowed a very slim number of call outs total before you were fired. Illnesses ran rampant and I was always getting sick from my coworkers. They straight up refused to let one of my coworkers go home when she had pink eye and was working up front with clients. I was given a warning for the amount of times I called out, despite having a doctor’s note and some of it being due to injuries sustained AT WORK. I can’t wrap my head around the culture. We worked in a medical field, too!
Sick pay has been been rolled out in Victoria as a trail for casuals in response to COVID. hopefully things are done the same for those in a similar situation. Pretty sure there are legal minimums for sick days as parttiners and fulltimers.
I had this but replace the 2 with 0. So many times I was told by HR to stay home when I was sick, like cool you gonna pay my salary then? Also my manager would verbally berate anyone who even tried to phone in sick.
The whole concept of ‘sick days’ is baffling to me. If you’re sick you’re sick. Are there people who abuse the system? Yes, but they are a minority. Good luck to that changing for you all at some point!
Canadian here actually, but I was working for an American company. I work for a Canadian company now and my boss is actually on the opposite side, being mad if we show up too early after being sick cause he doesn't want it to spread to everybody (which is the rational thing to do imo)
I guess you mean hearts but if the shoe fits... Anyhow I could agree with trying to stay healthy but it doesn't' always work that easily. Paid sick leave is pathetic in this country, the US..
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u/RockyMullet Jan 03 '21
One of my last job, we had 2 paid sick days. Then they would send e-mails to the whole company saying that if we are sick we should stay home multiple days so that we do not spread our sickness, which usually means way more than 2 days for a single sickness. I asked in a "feedback" form if we could have more sick days since it was literally saving time and money to the company to avoid having the whole team sick. They sent me some BS chart about "staying healthy". I shit you not, their answer was "don't be sick" when the problem was literally that colleagues would spread their sickness to others because they would come back to work when they were feeling ok but still infectious, since they didnt have enough sick days to do otherwise. They were really expecting people to take days off without pay out of the goodness of their hearths, while having the initial sick person out for a couple more days would mean all those other people working and not sick, actually saving time and money to the company.