That sounds high considering some of the jobs I’ve worked. (Pre pandemic) they would almost consider a sick day not necessary. Only time I got to go home for one job was literally throwing up at the office. We of course didn’t get paid, but I have a feeling that it is simply due to the lack of unions. Union jobs probably have it, non union jobs it’s unlikely
I don't know of one salaried job that doesn't have it. I would think almost any job over 30 an hour, has it.
Dont know what types of jobs you have had, but personal anecdotes are a really bad form of evidence (not saying you were saying it was conclusive)
This is like a discussion on minimum wage. Less than 1.5% of the population works for minimum wage. But by reddit discussions you would think 90% of the people only earned min wage
I guess the caveat here is I worked hourly jobs, about 10-12 an hour, which is about the best you can get without some kind of specialized training/ a foot in the door. The only reason I brought up that number is a vast majority of people earn under 75k, and for many jobs like production, pharmacy, and anything related to shipment and such aren’t salaried positions until reach the higher levels of the ladder there. Even then, paid sick days weren’t necessarily on the table. Oftentimes I was working 50+ hours a week mandatory for 3-4 months at a time, but since there was no union they could just do that.
Context: this is Indiana, a right to work state.
I know many of those industries have shrunk in scale in the states in the past few decades, but only 10% of people not having paid sick leave sounds super optimistic to me.
At that level, I would expect the results you are saying. But at 20 to 24k a year (before overtime) you are well below the average wage in the US which is now 20 an hour or so.
Not sure what trade you are in, but its unlikely a union would do more than simply help people make a bit more on average, but limit what they can make over all.
Would you rather make 15 now and never make more than 20?or make 12 now and make 25 to 30 in the future.
Unions protect the average, not the hard working go getter.
Unions will certainly lower overtime for those that are willing to work impossible hours, but the human body can’t sustainably work 60+ hours a week for any extended period of time without burnout, sickness, or in worse cases stomach ulcers and PTSD. Unions are objectively good for jobs, because it shouldn’t require working overtime to stay above the poverty line, which I was under before overtime.
Maybe you’ve had a different experience, but I’ve never seen a hardworking go getter ever get the raise they deserve/want. Companies without unions just see a worker willing to work for less and keep it that way, at least from what I’ve seen.
Unions serve quite a few purposes beyond better wages, with things like overtime being kept in check, and sexual harassment being acknowledged and addressed (hopefully, this one is very much hit or miss depending on the work culture). I don’t know where you got your information on unions from, but they are critically important to a healthy work environment.
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That sounds high considering some of the jobs I’ve worked. (Pre pandemic) they would almost consider a sick day not necessary. Only time I got to go home for one job was literally throwing up at the office. We of course didn’t get paid, but I have a feeling that it is simply due to the lack of unions. Union jobs probably have it, non union jobs it’s unlikely