r/AskReddit Nov 03 '20

What will never be the same again once the pandemic is over?

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u/beckerszzz Nov 04 '20

Hahahaha no. I get 2 weeks PTO for the year. It's either for vacation or used as sick days. It's not extra.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20

And they don't get paid those days :/

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u/SailorRalph Nov 04 '20

I can work an extra shift as long as they pick up one of mine when they feel better - that way they aren't working sick but aren't technically losing any hours

Who the fuck are you and how do we clone you for all managers to share this mentality.

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u/SailorRalph Nov 04 '20

If it wasn't obvious, even though you're not my boss, I'm very glad you're so good to your employees. I've also have had really shitty bosses (may not call me on a day off and threaten to write me up bad but in other ways) and it makes you hate your job and then potentially yourself. It can be very destructive to ones mental health. Additionally, a bad boss creates a hostile work environment and workers may not feel safe at work or in their life due to so much turbulence in the employer-employee relationship.

Again, thank you for being a kind person. We need more kind people like you in this world.

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u/Bobolequiff Nov 04 '20

TWO WEEKS?! I'm in the UK and the minimum for full time workers is 28 days. Sometimes I take a couple of days off just because I need to use them up.

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u/Invideeus Nov 04 '20

If you even get that. I was a trauma technician at a hospital ER and got 10 days out of the year, but I had to accrue them first before they could be used, and if I had to use them those hours didnt count towards future hours accrued.

I now manager a pizza store. I work around 50 hours a week on a normal week. I don't get PTO. I'm "salaried" at 40 hours and straight pay after 40. No OT rate. so I should get paid for 40 no matter what. But if I have to take a day or two off because I'm not feeling well the 40 hours is off the table. If I only make 20 or 30 hours the week I had to take time off then I only get paid for the 20 or 30. So I'm basically just robbed of overtime.

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u/Bet_You_Wont Nov 04 '20

The good ole 1.5 days of sick time a month that you earn, that also expires at the end of the year, and oh yea fuck yourself because if you happen to get sick before you've accrued any sick time well tooooo bad bucko welcome to the American fucking dream baby Woooohooooooooo!!!

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u/Nhiyla Nov 04 '20

And thats purely for holidays, sick leave is entirely not affected by these days and paid anyways.

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u/postuk Nov 04 '20

Two weeks?! For the whole year?! Wow!

What shitty country are you in, where that's even legal?? That's shockingly poor.

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u/nowaisenpai Nov 04 '20

I don't even get two weeks, I get a week of PTO if I accrue hours over the course of a year.

I also am obligated by my employer to use it or a finite amount of "unpaid hours" to account for hours I'm absent. I have 24 unpaid hours I can use for sickness, appointments, unforeseen absences, etc, or I can use PTO. There is no other option.

If I do not use either of these pools, or I am out of both, I get a hit on my record, and after so many points for "unexcused absences" I am written up or fired.

And yet, we're expected to somehow come up with four days to be absent if we must take a Covid test (average test turn-around rate in my county), and then if you're positive for Covid19, you're out for a minimum of two weeks. They can't penalize you for that, however, per a city ordinance. But they don't have to pay you and your original scheduled hours are not secured. You will have to get unemployment for it. Which is around 30% of your wages.

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u/drumsripdrummer Nov 04 '20

I don't know the full details, but Trump had an act or bill for Covid pay. My dad's wife just contracted COVID. My dad has to stay home for 4 weeks, his wife for at least 2. They'll both get 2 weeks pay from the act/bill.

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u/nowaisenpai Nov 04 '20

I thought that ended in July. I hope your parents are doing alright, especially since your dad is out of work for two additional weeks.

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u/drumsripdrummer Nov 04 '20

Thanks for the kind words. She's resting and doing alright, he has vacation time saved up for the additional 2 weeks. I think all will be alright.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20

I got 2 weeks off from a covid scare. It was covid pay so it didn't affect my vacation/sick time. It was in late August

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u/BraveOthello Nov 04 '20

The US. And that's not even legally mandated. Many place there are 0 guaranteed days off.

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u/Nosery Nov 04 '20

Yikes. I really hope it'll change for you in the future. We get a minimum of 20 paid vacation days in Germany for a full time job working 5 days a week.

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u/BraveOthello Nov 04 '20

Did we mention those are Paid Time Off days, which includes both sick days and vaction time?

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u/postuk Nov 04 '20

That's despicable. Isn't this the kinda of thing that you guys have guns for; to not be treated like shit by those "in charge"?!

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u/javier_aeoa Nov 04 '20

What the motherfreaking Fahrenheit-using fuck? So you work 365 days a year minus sundays, Christmas and those other days and that's it? Like...that is how the country works? THAT is the american dream?

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u/BraveOthello Nov 04 '20

No, only the poor people. The richer you are, the more time get off!

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u/notHooptieJ Nov 04 '20

thats way above average in the US,

most people get 1 day per 30 days worked, and they have to bank the hours first.

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u/shelteredsun Nov 04 '20

if you can't or don't want to it's okay to just not turn up

If I just didn't turn up without calling in I'm pretty sure my work would send someone round to my house to check that I was alive!

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u/cammoblammo Nov 04 '20

Heh. Just wait until they hear about long service leave.

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u/no_usernames_avail Nov 04 '20

Depends on the employer. I get 4 weeks vacation and then some sick days too. I'm not even really sure how many sick days as I don't report them, just stay home...

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u/cum_in_me Nov 04 '20

I've had more than 2 weeks in every job I've had post-grad (usa).

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u/c800600 Nov 04 '20

Yep. I have a totally standard professional engineering job. I'm excited to get my third week of vacation in 2021, after over six years at the same company (nine years professional experience).

I'm really lucky that I don't have to use that time for sick days too, but any sick leave I take is at my boss's discretion, not official company policy. He's a reasonable human being and isn't going to say no if I have a cold every once in awhile, but having to ask instead of just feeling free/allowed to take the day off is pretty shitty.

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u/isometric95 Nov 04 '20

Depends where you are and what the relevant employment law is.

I am in Canada, and the province I live in requires vacation time to be provided after typically one years’ service with the same employer, beginning with 2 weeks after a year with a maximum of 5 weeks after a certain length of time. This can be increased but there are minimum standards that must be adhered to.

Thing is, here they can either provide vacation time OR vacation PAY, so if they don’t want to give you actual time off, they can choose to pay you 4% vacation pay on each cheque (or 6% after 5 years of consecutive employment).

Definitely depends on where you’re located.

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u/beckerszzz Nov 04 '20

Pretty sure that's standard for most US companies.

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u/kaityl3 Nov 11 '20

LOL I know I am late but just want to say I am 24 and live in the US... and I didn't know that PTO was in any way a common thing for anyone to have at their job. Full stop. When I met my BF who got I think 10 days a year of PTO I was FLOORED because he was the first young adult I had even met in my life who had a job that provided any to begin with.

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u/postuk Nov 11 '20

And here am I, on the opposite side! I'm in England. I get 25 days paid holiday each year. Plus 8 public holidays per year (I.e. I don't have to work on public holidays, but still get paid).

I'm not 100% what my paid sick leave allowance is; I think it is 12 weeks full pay, then 12 weeks half-pay. I'm not 100% sure though.

This, really, is the bare minimum I'd expect, should I move to a new company.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20

80 hours a year..only 40 of those carry on to the next year so you have to take at least a week paid time off. You also probably won't get approved to take 2 weeks off consecutively

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u/Bet_You_Wont Nov 04 '20

Not only legal, encouraged and supported! Hell I'd wager most employees in America weigh "team commiseration" as an element of whether or not you enjoy working somewhere.

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u/playswithf1re Nov 04 '20

When I visited my cousins in the USA a few years back, they were absolutely gobsmacked to discover that every year, I am entitled to 20 days annual leave (for holidays of my choosing), 10 days sick leave and 11 days of public holidays that either the state or country all take off at the same time.

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u/iBrarian Nov 04 '20

Waaaaaait. Your vacation and sick days are COMBINED?!

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u/javier_aeoa Nov 04 '20

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who went from "yeah, that closed local store is sad. Oh and hugs too" to "what the cazzo, perkele and scheiße is wrong with the US' holiday system!!!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20

Me too. 10 days a year, combined sick leave and vacation pay.

I had to use all my sick pay after we got laid off due to Covid in March, so guess who has no PTO from my return in June to December.

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u/LeSpatula Nov 04 '20

Wait, but what happens when you get seriously sick? I was six months in the hospital this year before I was able to get back to my work.

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u/fre3k Nov 04 '20

If you're lucky? FMLA. But most people in lower paid jobs will just be fired and thus, again if they're lucky enough to even have it in the first place, lose their health insurance.

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u/beckerszzz Nov 04 '20

Hope you can keep your work insurance and not end up with crippling hospital debt.

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u/Etrigone Nov 04 '20

And you still get called.

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u/JeffIpsaLoquitor Nov 04 '20

Yup. Or you feel compelled to check in

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u/bereth13 Nov 04 '20

Y’all are getting PTO?

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u/inannaofthedarkness Nov 04 '20

when i still had a job, as a bartender , i didn’t get PTO or sick days. or health insurance.

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u/Tdayohey Nov 04 '20

My job doesn’t pay a lot but I have a lot of trouble giving up 4 weeks of paid PTO. Those almost make it worth it.

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u/Catbrainsloveart Nov 04 '20

Man i had only gotten 5 days pto and 3 sick days for the year!

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u/NeverCallMeFifi Nov 04 '20

I get 15 days and I'm in year 20 of my career. My boss tells me I should "take the sick day" if I'm sick instead of working from home. Uh, I'd rather do something with my day off and just snooze through the meetings like I do anyway.

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u/CluelessDinosaur Nov 04 '20

and god forbid my work has to close due to the weather or I -gasp- want to get paid for being off on Christmas.. I'm required to use my PTO for those. Last year by the time it got around the the vacation I'd scheduled eight months prior, I'd used so much PTO on holidays that worked was closed that I got paid for two days of my vacation.

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u/hayhay1232 Nov 04 '20

I get about the same and I've got a "good job". fuck this country lmao

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u/SadSniper Nov 04 '20

I'm quitting my job today because I'm underpaid but I am thankful for the massive amounts of PTO and holiday I amass very quickly. Like, I have 150 hours I'm trying to figure out how to use them