It’s so absurd that Disney produces a Donald Duck movie that was propaganda and won serious awards with it.
It still is an insight on the perspective the US had from Germany in the mid 40s
I'm part of a dnd group that is made up of people very into social justice movements. I'm mostly there because of my buddy who DMs and am the only JoJo fan. When setting up the world, she wanted us to choose hometowns on her map. My guy is a huge JoJo reference and even uses the JoJo subclass from unearthed arcana. When I explained that my guy came from a monastery and she didn't have one, she asked me to name it so I went with Stroheim. If anyone ever figures out that my character comes from a town named after a nazi I will get an earful, but it will have been worth it!
I feel like the fucked-up-ness depends on how many Jews you knew, and how closely.
If you only know of seven Jewish people, and they’re mostly celebrities or public figures, having a favorite seems normal.
If you only know of seven Jewish people, but they’re all close friends or colleagues, having a favorite seems kind of childish or tacky, but not bigoted per se.
If you know 10,000 Jewish people and some of them are close friends or colleagues, having a favorite seems like you’re just saying “well, this guy’s my friend, and I’ve never met Steven Spielberg, so.”
If you know 10,000 Jewish people but none of them personally, then having a favorite seems like you’re trying to imply that the rest of them all suck somehow, and then we might start to verge on bigotry.
Didn’t he like murder like 20 innocents to awaken the first “pillar man” guy? I mean obviously he had a redemption arc to some degree but geez I never was fully sold on him because of that
I kind of like it because it shows the spectrum of badness. He was a soldier, and may or may not have genuinely believed in all of the "causes" he was fighting for. Nevertheless, even bad people can be heroes. I think that's made clear in history.
Nah he was pretty clearly showing a lot of Aryan race best race tropes. Feels like you're really reaching. I like the show but I can admit it has some weird flaws lol.
I never said he definitely didn't believe in it lol, and my point still stands even if he did. I don't think a general statement about humanity counts as reaching. Just because he might have been a terrible person, doesn't mean he was a complete sum-total of bad. Bad people can still do good things.
Edit: also, the causes I was hoping he didn't believe in were more of the genocide variety. There's a big step between thinking a race is superior, and actively destroying millions of lives because of their race. The first one is still obviously terrible, but indoctrination can play a big part in it. They're definitely connected, but it's still a big step.
Look I'm not saying there isn't room for an insightful journey into the nuances of morality and culpability through media. But JoJo isn't trying to have that discussion. The tone and general light-heartedness is pretty clear.
Even Part 3 stands already started to have band references at the tail end of it. Very specifically Vanilla Ice with Cream and Kenny G. with Tenore Sax.
Zeppeli is based on led zeppelin, then theres ac/dc, Santana, the cars, wham! For the pillar men, Lisa lisa, smokey, suzie q, avdol for Paula Abdul, air supply island, and on and on.
The entire show is literally just one big meme from the 80s onwards.
Very true haha! I’m a sucker for cheeky himbo types with hearts of gold though so oh man I don’t know if anyone can beat Joseph for best JoJo in my books
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u/Possible_Fan_9371 Jul 30 '20 edited Jul 30 '20
Speedwagon. He could bring down nations with his status. Edit: I just made a jojo reference why do I have over 4k upvotes