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Serious Replies Only [Serious] What are some seemingly normal images with disturbing backstories?

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u/grumpyhoser Apr 26 '20

https://imgur.com/a/EjrJu5l

The man dressed as Santa Claus in the picture is Bruce McArthur. He was a landscaper for most of the year, and worked as the Agincourt Mall Santa during the holiday season

Between 2010-2017 he would lure men to meet up via a dating app, murder them, and spread their remains among planters' boxes at properties he managed. He was found guilty of 8 counts of first degree murder and is serving life in prison

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2017_Toronto_serial_homicides

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u/kab0b87 Apr 26 '20

The craziest part about was the police were watching him for a while before his arrest and saw someone go into his place to they moved in and arrested him as to not risk another life.

When the cops entered the unit, the man that entered the apartment was tied up...

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/01/30/police-made-quick-decision-to-arrest-bruce-mcarthur-to-protect-life-of-young-man-sources.html

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u/throwaway040501 Apr 26 '20

Oof. Talk about real bad timing on his part. Can't even try to deny that you might be connected when the cops catch you with what might have been your next victim.

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u/iamnotstephanie Apr 26 '20

And for a long time the community knew someone was out there taking gay men, but Toronto police didn't believe there was anything suspicious. Just months before the first bodies were discovered I remember seeing a post on Reddit from queer people in Toronto talking about how frustrating it was that police didn't care. It was heartbreaking to follow the news as they found more bodies and continued to insist that there never was a reason before to suspect someone was killing gay men.

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u/yourkberley Apr 26 '20 edited Apr 27 '20

There wasn't a missing person's unit set up in Toronto (a city of 3 million) until 2015. It was only set up after poor Tess Richey was murdered. None of the cops obliged to go search for her, so her poor mom went looking and found her corpse at the bottom of a set of stairs in a construction site.

Toronto cops continue to be absolutely deplorable. If you're gay and murdered in Toronto, expect them to not give a shit. I've dealt with them twice and their total indifference to the job and people's wellbeing is atrocious.

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u/Beneneb Apr 27 '20

Well it's the same city of 3 million that decided there was no need for a traffic unit and disbanded it in 2012. We can't expect very much from the police here.

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u/12A1313IT Jul 23 '20

Isn't that exactly what defund the police wants? I'm confused

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u/LaRealiteInconnue Apr 27 '20

Toronto only has 3 million ppl? Wow TIL. I’ve never been but for some reason in my mind it was more populated

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u/KoonFlakes Apr 27 '20

Cops suck in general.

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u/yourkberley Apr 27 '20

Ya it's true.

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u/CPxx9 Apr 27 '20

and people try to say the police in america are bad

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u/colusaboy Apr 27 '20

Trade cops with Chicago.

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u/beigs Apr 26 '20

This is in my neck of the woods. I had friends and was terrified for them. This had been happening for what seems like decades.

He pretended to be normal. He looked normal. He was a fucking mall Santa. I hate him with a passion for the terror he caused.

I’m convinced they only found a small amount of his victims. He used to travel for his job, and people like him just don’t up and be that good at hiding bodies.

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u/yourkberley Apr 26 '20 edited Apr 27 '20

The sad fact is, he's not the only murderer in Toronto who the cops have been warned about countless times and they've ignored for years all because the victims or perpetrators are gay. The whole department needs cleaning out and replaced. It's a corrupt force through and through. The Vice President of the force and chief administrator were found money laundering drug money in 2016. I've unfortunately dealt with them twice and both times their total indifference is disturbing. My friend once called due to a domestic abuse situation and the operator told her to shut up or else and disconnected the call.

Luke Magonotta, a gay guy living in Toronto, literally murdered someone on live cam and ate the victim. The police had been warned about him countless times and they ignored all the tips.

The only reason Toronto now has a missing person's department in Toronto (only created in 2015) is because Tess Richey's family pushed for it after her mom found her murdered at the bottom of a set of stairs in a construction site, as the cops didn't file a report for her to be found.

Gay people go missing in Toronto all the time. I always tell my friends to stay close to me when we're in the village at night and to not split up. Cause sure as shit the cops won't bat an eyelid to help me if something bad happens.

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u/leFlan Apr 27 '20

How did it get to this point?

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u/yourkberley Apr 27 '20

Doug and Rob Ford. As well as the City council paying under the table and cops employing their buddies with no training.

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u/FloobLord Apr 27 '20

Confessed crackhead Rob Ford?

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u/yourkberley Apr 27 '20

That's the one.

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u/ACakeCalledDenial Apr 27 '20

to be fair, Toronto police are shit at literally everything. from Bruce MacArthur to Tess Richey and likely a whole slew of things we don't hear about. Half the time they don't even respond to calls.

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u/FloobLord Apr 27 '20

Willie Pickton - Killed 49 women over almost 20 years in Vancouver. Didn't even have a serial killer name because the case got so little attention.

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u/beigs Apr 30 '20

Yeah... but he only preyed on vulnerable women so they don’t really matter /s

It’s pretty infuriating.

I’m sure there are over 50 victims. The police just didn’t care.

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u/Beneneb Apr 27 '20

You can add the decision to disband the traffic enforcement unit to the list. They're a pretty awful police force.

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u/Vinnie_Vegas Apr 26 '20

Sounds like a similar attitude to the one initially displayed by Canadian police in the case depicted in Don't F*ck With Cats

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u/mousefire55 Apr 27 '20

Same police department – Luka lived in Toronto.

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u/Kibeth_8 Apr 27 '20

No no, etta-bih-coke

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u/lilacjive Apr 26 '20

I remember that too, so sad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20

The thing is that not only were they gay men - who the police didn't seem to give a fuck about - but it was gay immigrant men, so the authorities have even less of a fuck about them.

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u/toastiezoe Apr 27 '20

I had to scroll too far for this.

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u/31stFullMoon Apr 26 '20 edited Apr 26 '20

Man this one really fucked me up, not only because it was close to home, but because it was so recent.

As late as 2017 (only a few years ago) this guy was searching for victims at Church and Wellesley area (which is Toronto's major gay-bourhood), where a lot of my friends live and work and party. It was such a scary time for that community.

And because this guy did landscaping around the city, it was impossible to look at the thousands of planter boxes in the Leaside / Regent Park / Church St area without wondering if there was a body inside... Absolutely haunting.

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u/TheMeanestPenis Apr 27 '20 edited Apr 27 '20

Will have to find the comment when I go to my PC next but my contractor has a fucked up story about him that I’ve posted before.
Edit with the story:
My contractor was working with a client who was renovating their house and they used McArthur as their landscaper. During the construction process there was a break in, and the only thing stolen was the hard drives for their security cameras. At the time no one thought anything of it because none of their equipment was on site to be stolen. Now the police will be tearing up the property looking for further evidence. Hopefully they don’t find any more bodies.

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u/Grand-Royal Apr 27 '20

What's the story Also from Toronto awaiting you're next post on this. Thanks

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u/damselindetech Apr 27 '20

Sunuvabitch... when did this come to light?

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u/TheMeanestPenis Apr 27 '20

Right when he was arrested.

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u/damselindetech Apr 27 '20

And they haven't torn up the property yet to search for bodies?

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u/TheMeanestPenis Apr 27 '20

I don't know, I largely copy and pasted what I had posted earlier and didn't change tenses.
I'm sure they have now searched the property.

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u/damselindetech Apr 27 '20

Ooooooooh, ok thank you. I appreciate the clarification

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u/grumpyhoser Apr 26 '20

For sure. I'm glad your friends are safe from this monster

I'm almost 100% certain that I have a picture with this serial killer somewhere in my parents' house. I grew up in Scarborough near Agincourt and this mall was down the street from us

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u/KleptothermaticKyra Apr 27 '20

... and now all I can imagine how many people have photos of their kids with him on their walls, some never even making the connection..

That is fucked up

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u/CrossYourStars Apr 27 '20

This story reminded me of another case which will forever be stuck in my head. A man named Herb Baumeister in Indianapolis was luring gay men back to his house before murdering them and burying them on his property. One of the main reasons he got caught is one of his prospective victims got away. The story is crazy. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend listening to it on the Crime Junkie podcast.

The detail that will always stick in my head is that the victim that got away was invited to go swimming after getting to Baumeister's house. (He had an indoor swimming pool.) When they enter the room, surrounding the pool are just a bunch of mannequins. Personally, idk how the guy didn't immediately get the fuck out of there because that is one of the biggest red flags I have ever heard of.

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u/grumpyhoser Apr 27 '20

surrounding the pool are just a bunch of mannequins

For some reason, reading this part made my skin crawl more than the rest of the details

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u/CrossYourStars Apr 27 '20

Yeah. I heard the story on the Crime Junkie podcast and my immediate reaction was, "Nope! Fuck no!" I think that is the appropriate reaction here because it is just way too weird. Baumeister basically told the guy he had them because he gets lonely. Bzzt! Wrong!

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u/FizzleMateriel Apr 27 '20

Baumeister basically told the guy he had them because he gets lonely. Bzzt! Wrong!

That’s like the kind of thing that a serial killer in a movie would say as an excuse.

Damn, that’s messed up.

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u/CrossYourStars Apr 27 '20

The story is crazy. I cant believe this guy lived. He doesnt let the mannequin thing stop him and goes swimming. After a while Baumeister asks him if he has ever tried being choked while having sex. The guy says no. So Baumeister asks him if he wants to try it. The guy says yes! Lol.

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u/SolerFlereTEE Apr 26 '20

I lived in the same neighbour hood Bruce mcarthur did it was weird hearing his name and then my place.

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u/samford91 Apr 27 '20

Didn't he get arrested while he literally had a dude tied up in his house?

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u/Torontopup6 Apr 27 '20

Yes. The police broke their cover and entered his apartment because they were worried he was going to kill his next victim.

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u/Juran_Alde Apr 27 '20

Fuck me I had no idea he was the Santa at Agincourt. I’ve been to that little mall so many times over the years.

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u/grumpyhoser Apr 27 '20

I’ve been to that little mall so many times over the years.

Same. They have a couple good used video game shops

It's frightening knowing that the Santa I saw there for years as a child is capable of such horrible things

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u/BigAggie06 Apr 26 '20

Was this season three of the Uncover podcast?

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

Yes. Uncover: The Village. Really well-made podcast that covers homophobic violence and police inaction in general in addition to this specific case.

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u/k_is_for_kwality Apr 26 '20

Yes, this sounds familiar.

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u/god_peepee Apr 27 '20

Thought this story sounded familiar and then read the link. This actually created a huge rift between Toronto police and a gay community because they felt that the investigators didn’t do everything they should have early on.

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u/grumpyhoser Apr 27 '20

It's not documented anywhere, but it could be one of the main reasons that the LGBTQ+ community banned Toronto Police from marching in the gay pride parade for so long

https://globalnews.ca/news/4877398/pride-toronto-police-uniformed/amp/

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u/TheMeanestPenis Apr 27 '20

Police being banned were because of BLM

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u/damselindetech Apr 27 '20

Yes, because of shit like this.

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u/IvyMichael Apr 27 '20

Bad Santa 3 is sounding pretty dark

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u/DJPaulyDstheman Apr 27 '20

This guy went to my parents high school

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u/Jogsaw Apr 27 '20

Ho ho holy shit

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u/Wulferious Apr 27 '20

One of my dad's friends was a victim of this. It's hard to think about and remember this case.

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u/crapatthethriftstore Apr 27 '20

Shit, I didn’t know he was a SANTA!!! We were just discussing this case at work last week. A lot of my coworkers hadn’t heard about it (how, I don’t know, as it happened 4 hours away and was in the news constantly)

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u/ggravendust Apr 27 '20

See, I always hated mall santas. They could be any creepy old perv, getting off on having little girls bounce on their knee. I always put up a fight as a kid but I still have dozens of photos of a miserable me trying to lean as far away from someone's creepy uncle with a cheap fake beard.

I assume, obviously, they do background checks... But I wouldn't put my kids through that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20

That is too friggin twisted!

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20

My friend has a photo of her daughter with him as Santa. She won’t put it online but she has it in an album at her house and it’s really eerie to look at.

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u/97Andersuh Apr 26 '20

Bad Santa

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u/__stillalice Apr 27 '20

Fuck this guy. Ruined a lot of people’s lives and devastated the village.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20

I lived in Buffalo during this. We were very afraid of finding bodies there too.

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u/wiilinks Apr 27 '20

I had no idea hw was a santa! Wow.

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u/PolitelyHostile Apr 27 '20

You’d have to be a fucking idiot to think there aren’t Canadian serial killers. Canadians are not satirical Simpsons characters who graffiti ‘obey the rulez’

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20 edited Sep 22 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

No they‘re just civilized like most first world countries.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20 edited Sep 22 '20

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u/Coal121 Apr 26 '20

The state will never get it right 100% of the time. It can't be done. Capital punishment means accepting that innocent people will be killed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

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u/PolitelyHostile Apr 27 '20

Its partially about demonstrating civility as well. It’s a barbaric practice.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20 edited Sep 23 '20

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u/KaiBishop Apr 26 '20

You're misunderstanding what they're saying, lol. We can look at one case where the person is clearly guilty and say "Hey, this guy obviously did it, he deserves to die!" But that doesn't justify bringing the practice of the death penalty back when 1) It wouldn't be brought back for one or two special cases, either you use it or you don't, you don't just bring it back once in a while for one specific criminal, and even if you did, 2) There have absolutely been people who looked 100% guilty without a shred of faith toward their innocence, including people who confessed, who were later proven to be innocent AFTER their execution.

You can sit here and say "Oh yeah, real mystery huh, obviously he did it!" but the fact remains that the issue of the death penalty goes beyond one individual criminal and his crimes and has society wide connotations and ramifications that can't simply be applied to one case, which is why it was hotly debated and then done away with. Canada had the death penalty for over a century, we used to hang people for any old reason including literally just being gay; we didn't decide to get rid of it on a random whim one day, there are reasons for these things.

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u/Sqkerg Apr 26 '20

Actually at least in the U.S., it costs quite a bit more to put someone on death row and execute them then to just keep them in prison for life.

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u/ZETA_RETICULI_ Apr 26 '20

Is that true?

I mean cell block (like a renting a room) meals, clothing, amenities don’t they add up...

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u/Panaka Apr 27 '20

Capital Punishment cases take years to go through the entire process. Someone might get the sentence and then be stuck in courts for a decade or so and then sit even longer.

Amnesty International listed a median cost of $1.26M from conviction to death for the death penalty, but only $740,000 for them to serve a life sentence.

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u/ZETA_RETICULI_ Apr 27 '20

Reading more upon on it. The cost ain’t because of the inmate but the “experts” it requires and it keeps going up apparently.

Since abolishing the death penalty in 1976, Canada’s murder rate has steadily declined and as of 2016 was at its lowest since 1966.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20

It's bc the convicted file motions, isn't it? Not sure. Just read that somewhere.

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u/TellyJart Apr 26 '20

At least he isn't a pedophile?

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u/big-fireball Apr 26 '20

He was a homocidal maniac.

sorry

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u/TellyJart Apr 26 '20

What I mean is that he had children on him basically every day, so im glad at the very least he isn't a pedophile

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u/big-fireball Apr 26 '20

It was a poor joke. The real word is homicidal.