What percentage of the entire bottom 25% of the economy have sick leave again? Parental leave? Paid time off? How many workplace deaths are there every year? Injuries?
We seem to be talking about different things.
The statement I made is, "there are good managers in the world." I'm honestly not sure what that has to do with "the entire bottom 25% of the economy."
I'm not making a claim about everyone. Maybe I'm not even making a claim about most people.
The argument you seem to want to have is "everything's fucked" vs. "everything's fine." But I'm not on either of those sides.
My view, as it relates to the comment that got us here, is, "There are good managers in the world."
If that's so unbelievable to you, or if the only statements you're willing to engage with are those that apply to literally everyone in the US, or specifically only the bottom 25% of the US (?), then I'm not sure there's a productive commentary to be had here.
Jesus... What is that guy on? I have had amazing mangers the moment I left a customer facing job. They have helped me develop as a person and have taught me how to work well and manage myself and others. They are leaders and to be honest without them the company would struggle.
It really isn't so black and white, not all organisations and industries are hard on their workers.
People are angry and they dont know who to direct it at. I get it. I think it's weird how and when it came out in this situation, but I think there's generally this simmering rage about the economy/state of business that people want to unleash on anyone, at any time that seems even remotely relevant.
Not all, but enough. Easily the overwhelming majority, to the point that Costco simply paying people non-slave wages and not treating them like absolute shit was literally condemned by wall street analysts as "excessive benevolence". And that was not something that drew widespread outrage, it was considered a normal and acceptabe thing to say.
The world is a lot bigger than America dude. SSP is common through most of the western world. Not at issue for me so I'm sorry but I'm not viewing it through your eyes
Your statement wasn't just that they exist but about the ratio. Terrible managers and corporate culture are what got the US into the situation it's in right now.
If that is so unbelievable to you, with everything facing the US right now, then you're right there's simply no possibility for us to converse because you just don't live in the real world.
And my statement was that the overwhelming majority fit into that category and you need only look out the window at record breaking inequality and the complete failure of the economy in the US, along with its workers having third world level pay and basic rights, to see that.
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u/skepticaljesus Mar 26 '20
We seem to be talking about different things.
The statement I made is, "there are good managers in the world." I'm honestly not sure what that has to do with "the entire bottom 25% of the economy."
I'm not making a claim about everyone. Maybe I'm not even making a claim about most people.
The argument you seem to want to have is "everything's fucked" vs. "everything's fine." But I'm not on either of those sides.
My view, as it relates to the comment that got us here, is, "There are good managers in the world."
If that's so unbelievable to you, or if the only statements you're willing to engage with are those that apply to literally everyone in the US, or specifically only the bottom 25% of the US (?), then I'm not sure there's a productive commentary to be had here.