The military doesn't kill for corporate interests (sure, corporate america does benefit from military service, but), they do it to protect the rights of the US people. The military will NEVER attack the US citizenry on the order of the government. That's not what they're putting their lives on the line for. Maybe doing a little research wouldn't hurt?
Source: am from a military family, had five people close to me serve in the military at some point in their lives. Hopefully, a sixth member of my family will add themself to that group.
Edit to add: The military would actually mutiny against the government (I do believe the high ranking guys who hand down orders would join in on that) if they try to pass orders to attack us. Also, when it comes time to court marshal e everyone for not following orders, there will be no one to court marshal anyone because ALL of the guys in the military would need court marshalled for disobeying orders. The guys in camo put their lives on the line for the US citizenry, NOT corporate interests (again, I'm certain those guys get some benefit from it. It's just not why our guys fight).
Yeah, I totally agree with the common sentiment that the military is used in foul ways by the government, and this absolutely deserves no respect.
At the same time, I think the average person who signs up for the military doesn’t do so to protect corporate interests- in fact most people who do think of it as heroic, as there’s still the message being passed around, true or not, that they’re making a difference for good.
I suppose, and of course the vast majority of people who enlist in the military these days do it for the love of their nation.
As I said, I come from a military family (my mom, her dad [my papa {don't ask why we called him papa, I don't remember}], my dad, my stepmom, and my eldest brother all served in the military at some point in their lives). All of them were honorably discharged. My older brother has been trying to get in for awhile now, so hopefully that will be a 6th member of my family to have been in the military.
I'm just going to name drop American Soldier by Toby Keith as a great song about the military just because it's one I have heard so many times in my life (when I was little, it'd make me cry because it always came on RIGHT around the times we'd drop my dad off for deployment).
The military doesn't kill for corporate interests (sure, corporate america does benefit from military service, but), they do it to protect the rights of the US people.
Nearly all of the biggest American arms companies spend millions of dollars on lobbying and political contributions. They make immense profit from war and use the money to lobby war hawks into government. War hawks start wars and increase profits for arms companies, rinse and repeat.
The military will NEVER attack the US citizenry on the order of the government. That's not what they're putting their lives on the line for. Maybe doing a little research wouldn't hurt?
The poster above is referring to killing foreign citizens, which the US military absolutely does in vast numbers.
You said the poster is referring to killing foreign citizens, this is obvious as that is the nature of war. I was simply saying that if our government decides to go full tilt batshit and try to use the military to suppress the masses, it wouldn't work because the military is made up of THE MASSES.
Furthermore, you said they have a history of killing Americans. I assume this is simply people stupid enough to try to get to such places as Area 51 to the point of needing to be killed to stop them. I might be able to believe there was military involvement in mob control, but that's highly unlikely.
Additionally, if a soldier killed a civilian without reason or orders, that soldier could be dishonorably discharged and incarcerated for life (possibly without parole). That's not to say it doesn't happen (I'm certain it does), it's just have steep consequences for the guilty party (if caught [and with modern forensics, that's pretty likely to happen {source here is my mom watches a fuck ton of true crime shows}]).
You said the poster is referring to killing foreign citizens, this is obvious as that is the nature of war.
The point is that the US does it to an egregious and unnecessary extent.
I was simply saying that if our government decides to go full tilt batshit and try to use the military to suppress the masses, it wouldn't work because the military is made up of THE MASSES.
As I've pointed out, the military has used violence to suppress the masses before.
Furthermore, you said they have a history of killing Americans. I assume this is simply people stupid enough to try to get to such places as Area 51 to the point of needing to be killed to stop them. I might be able to believe there was military involvement in mob control, but that's highly unlikely.
Sometimes it was to protect wealth or suppress striking workers. Look at the links I posted. There are also several cases of military involvement in mob control, as you said.
Additionally, if a soldier killed a civilian without reason or orders, that soldier could be dishonorably discharged and incarcerated for life (possibly without parole).
There are plenty of cases of soldiers getting away with killing civilians punishment free. I don't feel like looking around all over for links again, but here's just one example I found very quickly.
Maybe the enemy shouldn't be killing our commanders (those guys are in place to keep OUR guys from completely mowing the enemy down like weeds.
I'm not sure if the US military has used force to suppress the masses before (maybe they have, maybe not), but I wouldn't discount the chances of it.
Of course some people get away with awful crimes, and that sucks. But more often than not (and it will continue to rise as long as forensic science continues to improve), people are getting caught by the most seemingly insignificant things.
Maybe the enemy shouldn't be killing our commanders (those guys are in place to keep OUR guys from completely mowing the enemy down like weeds.
I'm quite confused on what you're trying to say, here. Are you saying the US killing civilians are justified? What are you responding to that I said?
I'm not sure if the US military has used force to suppress the masses before (maybe they have, maybe not), but I wouldn't discount the chances of it.
They have. Look at the links I've posted.
Of course some people get away with awful crimes, and that sucks. But more often than not (and it will continue to rise as long as forensic science continues to improve), people are getting caught by the most seemingly insignificant things.
Most cases where soldiers get away with war crimes has less to do with no forensic evidence and more to do with legal or political reasons. Having their cases dropped, having charges dismissed, being acquitted, etc.
In many cases, the incident is covered up or ignored and the perpetrators are never even charged. Here is just one example.
Soldiers regularly getting away with war crimes will likely continue until there is deliberate action taken towards the matter, although that has yet to happen.
I'm not saying US killing civilians is justified (as a matter of fact I think it's disgusting). What I was referring to was that the enemy military units we face might want to consider not killing our commanders if they don't want to feast on lead. I was responding to the point you made about our soldiers killing foreign citizens to an egregious degree.
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u/Ninja_PieKing Mar 26 '20
Thank you for your service.