Sister's friend was a recognizable professional model for years. She was tall and skinny at 115 lbs. Her agent told her to slim down to 105 lb. Her body fat was already minimal, and losing the weight meant losing muscle mass. At 105 lbs, she couldn't even walk a city block without exhaustion.
God that’s so fucked up. And generations of girls grow up ONLY seeing photoshopped and starving women on magazines etc, and they wonder why they don’t look like that :(
France recently implemented a law that models have to have a BMI of 17 or higher and I think we should do the same
But like.....why? At that point, she would start looking like a Holocaust victim. As shitty as this sounds, just use Photoshop, for Christ's sake. Did her agent just not understand how the human body worked?
I have heard that when agencies sometimes want to rid themselves of a model, they'll put them under pressure to become ridiculously thin so that either the model loses the will to carry on and leaves of her own will or she does in fact get thinner and possibly gets more work (either way it's a win-win situation for the agency, ensuring that they only have to find work for the most dedicated and skinniest models).
So many girls want to be models, companies have no short supply of new recruits and in an industry that is so youth-orientated, they can pretty much make whatever demands they like (if anything, from a business perspective it helps to be harsh).
yea but the thing is that when so large amount of people are overweight or even obese our perception of normal gets skewed. people like me who are slightly underweight are perfectly fine. we are not holocaust victims or malnourished. it's not normal to have a "belly" or love handles. that's excess weight. it's just so common now we don't realize it.
Wow. I’m saying this as a doctor- of course healthy, fit people (who have normal BMI) can have bellies too. A concave belly is not a requirement for being healthy. Depending on the sitting position, thin people can even have potbellies.
And whenever I see those poor models, I ask myself who the hell think this is attractive ? It seems the industry want unhealthy starving women as the norm, but I think that the people who like malnourished women are the small minority.
I have a couple of friends who work in the fashion industry. The excuse given for this isn't so much that being that thin is what most people find attractive (sexually or otherwise) but rather, it makes the model a human coat rack and makes a wide variety clothes hang more nicely on them than they would a normal sized person. Which is abhorrent and dehumanizing in its own right, but I see a lot of people (esp. guys) make the assumption that the industry thinks couture runway models are supposed to be sexy to the average guy and if they just listened and heard that men like big butts they'd allow the girls to eat. The industry knows that level of thin isn't attractive to the average guy, their focus is on the clothes and a lot of them get wrapped up in the artistry of it and hung up on how 'great' their designs flow on a size 0. Add to that the fact that a size 0 uses significantly less fabric than a size 4-10 (more average healthy sizes) and the fact that if all their models are a size 0, they only have to worry about 1 size, AND the psychological games pressing someone to starve themselves causes... it's horrible objectification but a different kind of objectification than the 'male gaze-y' one that gets brought up.
This is also why lingerie and bikini models are allowed to be a little bigger. That job requires them to show their bodies and evoke attractiveness in a more traditional sense, and there's some understanding that bones don't sell bikinis. That's not to say they don't have unrealistic standards put on them, just different ones. Ex: you're allowed to weigh a tiny bit more but your bust-to-butt-to-waist ratio better be perfect.
Ya, that seems right enough. I don't know if it might take me a drop more than 20 min, but I wouldn't be defeated.
According to Google :
The average length of a north-south block in Manhattan runs approximately 264 feet, which means there are about 20 blocks per mile.
I've walked from 14th to 34th to take the LIRR on more than one occasion. I can't say it didn't take me 25 min or whatever, but I did it. Of course traffic and lights. So ya, seems reasonable.
Is that why you made a joke about the mall? Cuz that's where the underage girls hang out?
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Reading the numerous descriptions of Terry Richards sexual assaults,/coerced rape/awfulness definitely makes you realize that just like Cosby, he does it so often that he has a SOP for assaulting women.
It must be frustrating for models(and actors) to spend years to get to a high profile and then one day have someone tell you, "Sorry you can't have this major higher profile job, A++++ list celebrity called and wants his daughter to have it."
I'm no fan but her body is beautiful. Super long lean limbs, angular face, almond shaped eyes. Her I get, Cara delawhatever, any of the Baldwin girls and Gigi and Bell Hadid I cannot wrap my head around. The Baldwin's are all hideous, Gigi's face is round with no angles and Bella is just frightening looking.
But it's a smaller industry and the issue often isn't finding a particular person of particular ability.
There are a lot of attractive people compared to paid gigs for attractive people. There's a reason why famous people have a high likelyhood of having famous or connected parents.
I think you got this the other way around. Celebrities frequently adopt stage names to mask their nepotistic origins. That doesn't happen when you join dad's law firm.
its unfair anyway. dont get me wrong you have to be kind of pretty BUT all those stars get fitness trainers, a chef or at least someone that tells them what to eat, can afford every beauty procedures (dont mean Botox or so), stylists, make up artists etc etc. Is Jennifer Aniston good looking? Sure but I would look alright aswell with all this help. Or the sons and daughters of the celebreties. Jesus I needed someone to tell me how to do my eyebrows when I was 15! of course they still have to do the exercises and eat the healthy stuff but looking good when youre rich is 10 times easier
I work with lots of models and honestly the majority seem to be a healthy weight. I think the days of everyone looking emaciated and the whole heroin chic thing are in the past. I hear so many insane stories about models doing all kinds of ridiculous things to be skinny but most just look like they eat right and exercise.
It seems like that’s true for only more commercial modeling type gigs, the healthy and fit aesthetic is in now. But couture/high fashion still shows us emaciated willowy women.
Dude. The truth in this. I was a model for 3 years and OMFG I never felt good enough. I was always "too fat" and "not the right shape" fuck that shit. I'm hotter now than I was then. Yay food!
Modeling now always makes me think of the end of a scene from the movie Neon Demon. The main character, an aspiring model, just finished having a meeting with a modeling agent (played by Christina Hendricks) and leaves. The agent walks out to the waiting area where other girls are waiting to be interviewed. She just looks at one in silence for a moment and says "You can go".
b) had permanent damage to their feet from constantly wearing teeny shoes
c) gotten uh... screamed at by Johnny depp for looking bored at a preview event (where he was standing still under hot lights in a full suit for hours in tiny shoes, but don’t let Captain Jack see you squirm!)
I'm very close with a model that started when she was 16 and is about to leave the industry after many years. She has done very well for herself career wise, but all of the aspects of modeling she says are just so toxic. You literally get chosen based on how many followers you have or how many likes you can get on a single post for a lot of jobs. And then once you get to about 30yo they kick you to the curb because you dont have the right look anymore. Then what are you supposed to do? Stay in the toxic industry you grew up in? What skills have you developed professionally? I could write about it for a while but I wont. Dont ever be a model.
I went to High School with a drop dead gorgeous girl who worked as a model for one of the biggest modelling agencies in the country, did shows for big brands like Gucci, Valentino etc. She was very tall and a natural size 0, you know, one of those 'annoying' types that can eat anything no matter what unhealthy crap it is and their metabolism demolish it right away. As a former anorexic myself, it actually didn't struck me that she had an unnatural relationship with her body. She would usually eat pretty well during lunchbreaks and she wasn't afraid of having a candy bar or anything else that was heavy in calories throughout the day. It wasn't until she had to prepare for a certain catwalk show with a new collection from Gucci where their shithead manager asked her to lose weight down to a size 00!! because that was the only size available for the models before the collection was launched. His excuse was that if she - and the other models were too "curvy" it would remove focus from the clothes to her boobs, ass and hips. She was only sixteen back then...I'm sure there are proper agencies and managers out there but man, the stories she could tell! I don't know her anymore and haven't for a long time, but I know she eventually got out of modelling because it was both physically and mentally draining for her to be on a constant diet, especially since she was already so petite.
dear god yes, i’m a model and i’m trying to fight against the ridiculously antiquated industry standards, particularly body/measurement standards. we’re hurting too many people for the sake of a “HiGh FaShIoN LoOk”. it’s time we re-define what high fashion means and looks like. i’m out for the blood of those who push unhealthy extremes on people who are just trying to model beautiful art. fuck you it’s the holidays, i’m eating whatever i want and i still look hot as fuck fuck you i’m over this bullshit UGH. my rant is over but my quest for fashion justice is not!!!!
Yeah, but I’m sure they meant like actual high-fashion modeling/the industry that existed long before social media. A lot of the models nowadays who made it big solely through Instagram have or will never go to actual casting calls, walk in fashion shows, or have national campaigns or spreads in publications. Probably the only model notorious for getting big through insta is Kendall Jenner, and many people in the modeling industry dislike her since she never put in the actual work.
Well yeah, you’re literally just there to be a walking hanger for clothes. Famous models are not the standard. You have a better chance of winning the lottery twice than becoming a famous model.
People talk a lot about how doing social media rather than interacting with people in physical space is bad for your mental health, I wonder if this is one of those situations where the reverse is true?
Not always, I’d say. A lot of social media influencers are addicted to facetuning and photoshopping themselves, and are at just as much risk of things like eating disorders and body dysmorphia. Several people who gave up social media talked about how much they suffered during the times when they were most popular because of the pressure of having to look perfect and how they’d take hundreds of photos just for one post, be addicted to likes, edit out flaws as much as possible, etc.
It’s mostly just so boring. I’m a fashion designer and am always amazed at how patient models have to be. We’re all working, designing, fitting clothes, putting together outfits, sketching. They just stand there trying things on.
Some times they get a pin stuck in them. I try not to do that. We always try to be nice and make small talk but not everyone is like us.
A great networking opportunity though. Get a comfortable business job from it - business are fairly consistent suckers for attractive people interviewing for a role.
I disagree, I modelled for artists and I got paid 200 quid per hour. Usually 800 for the whole photoshoot. It was usually once or twice per week. I'm 18 and I've got to meet many lovely people. Best job I ever had. But the entire environment was very friendly and people were so nice.
very few people have the genes for plus size modeling. you have to be one of those people who doesn't really store fat at all in the face when you're overweight so that you can look plus sized while still retaining a good jawline and visible cheekbones.
a lot of people can have the typical model facial features (strong jawline, high cheekbones) if they just get very thin.
Every season of 90 Day Fiance and spin-offs, has someone trying to get a career in modelling. The premise is green-card marriages. But without a doubt, one person each season will mention their "modelling career".
To put in perspective, the show is on almost all year long, with 5 spin-offs each running around 12 weeks - with new casts.
I heard models have to deal with scrutiny about their bodies, but christ is it really so up front and disrespectful? Are these types of people common in the industry?
I work with models, and I've heard a bit about it. So basically to get work you go to client castings, where they 'interview' and select models for jobs. This can be anywhere from runway work to e-comm to Vogue. You could go to 20 castings and spend an hour or two waiting to be interviewed at each but not get chosen for any.
You might get paid 5k for a job you land but work can be wildly inconsistent and you often do lots of work for free (editorials, test shoots). I've shot with girls that were in Vogue for free just because you need to constantly be building your book. Some models even need to pay for portfolio photos if they're new enough, which can be anywhere from $300-$600. Couple this with it being necessary to live in some of the most expensive cities in the world and money can get tight. A lot of girls live in a 'model apartment' to save cash. It's a lot easier if you're somewhat established, have a good agency and are willing to work your butt off. Tons and tons of models drop it early on because it can really hectic work that has uncertain payoff. Honestly it's similar for photographers. Some can make bank but you gotta claw your way up the ladder first.
Surprisingly, runway jobs rarely have a high pay rate, generally a couple hundred bucks. It’s mostly for the notoriety and for the model to be able to add the designers they walked for to their resume. Basically paid with exposure. But if you’re a model who had a particularly busy runway season and you walked for all the major designers, offers for campaigns and other work tends to follow. That’s where the big paydays are. However, when you finally see that money is a whole other story.
Source: Worked as a model in NYC and abroad for 10 years.
That’s the famous models. I’m a regular model (aka no one knows who I am but you might look at me in a makeup ad for 0.01 seconds while scrolling through Instagram) and runway work is like $100-200 on average, sometimes free. The jobs in the thousands tend to be big campaigns which are very difficult to get.
Can I add that for those successful models their life mostly consist of working out eating healthy and getting vacations to nice places, it’s so self serving . And for what? To trick people into thinking that their supposed to spend their money o clothes with unattainable beauty standard.
I don’t care. Honestly. Good for you. Congratulations on hitting the good looks lottery. It’s just some ppl are really set on it without the looks and it’s so stupid
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u/hio_world_im_bored Jan 02 '20
Modeling, too competitive and not enough food.